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imo this is pretty eeasy. look at the exercises as movement patern rather than specific muscle groups, if it involves pushing overhead its that movement, regardless of ohp or hspu or similar. If you want to use heavy weights train them first, then fill in with your bw stuff after, just dont work the same movement pattern. example, if your doing ohp do that (5x5,3x5,10x3,heavy singles or whatever) then press ups, pistols, pull ups etc are fine. just be aware of some cross over and dont expect them to be prs if done after a heavy lift. if you learnt dl, ohp and lunge, stick them first in your workouts, one each day, then do your normal stuff, with any 'carry over stuff' last, gives that muscle some chance to recover and your not asking for pain. i do both weights and bw, i open and close my workouts with bw, with some heavy stuff in middle, just use the bw to progress, do cool shizzle such as 1 arm press ups and get extra reps in

Thankyou all for the lovely comments. Unfortunately i dont think a meet up will be on the cards as its in Yorkshire, England. # There will defo be bacon, life isnt complete without that porcine wonder!! Its going to be british modern cuisine, fine dining without all of the pretentiousness that accompanies it. Im making a website and FB page now, so when they are up you can all have a look and see the food.

Yo All, The title of this thread might seem a little over the top, but its accurate. Since i embarked on my current career path of cheffing there is one thing i always wanted to do, and now i have... I OWN MY OWN RESTAURANT!!!!! I have got keys, am currently doing a big ol' refurb and sorting out all of the legal stuff but its an amazing feeling! Its called The Dining Room, and i will post more info as i make websites and stuff, but wanted to share some good news and say i gained alot of inspiration from this site and particularly Steves life altering decisions, if you have a goal or a dream, go for it! Sponge:highly_amused:

Yeah, that's where I got the idea, all good fun! I like them and they are good switch up from normal OHP or push press. Just watch your head. In gonna switch between them and normal push press. Give em a whirl!

I hit my head on the way down doing heavy btn push press, not pleasant!

How intense are your workouts? Are you smashing your muscles? Doesn't matter if it's 5 or 8 reps If it's not intense. Also how long does your workout take and how long are your rest periods? You sleeping enough?

Wilt it down with a bit of garlic, awesome! Works well with lamb or beef :-)

Yo Timmy, lets just say i have been going through a tough time, but things are looking up, will start a blog thingy soon and lay it all out. how you been keeping? Roochop, i just noticed your signature, i actually got the reference lol, gave me a nice grin.

It's a uk take over!!! Oxford Is a lovely part of the country, better than say Scunthorpe. Welcome to the site and great to have you here

Don't forget me, I'm slightly more north than u two! Hull ftw!!!! Welcome and good luck with everything.

first why always is starting strength the mantra of everyone when someone asks a weight lifting program question secondly a bodyweight is cool and can be used as long as u increase resistance, which is the easier bit using weights. easier to add iron at a measurable rate than alter angles etc. thirdly if looking good is a priority, lift heavy (ALMOST bodybuilder style, but not a cookie cutter program) and keep cardio etc up,( run, do parkour,), supplement with lighter days (bodyweight or high rep stuff), eat like a truck, sleep like a log, repeat.

I thought batman was pants, finished it in 10hrs or so, including all but the riddler side quests. Fun enough game but very samey and too short, for such a supposedly massive game it is tiny compared to assassins creed. Currently at 89% sync on AC:revelations. Big fun right there, good story line. Also a big fan of how the multi player has a continuance of the single player story line and is the only proper multi player i know of to have a proper story progression. Also playing Gears of war 3 for fun, not much better than blowing someones head off with a sawn off at close range! Skyrim is on my to do list, with possible forray into COD:MW3 at some point.

I use phd version, pharma way, synergy or pharma gain, depends what's on offer at the time lol. Taste awesome, easy on the old stomach, and work really well. Best of all it's made in the mighty hull! Met their md once, nice guy. I have tried maximuscle, eas, sci-mx etc but think phd is the way forward.

Personally I would split the cleans and te presses, Maybe put press onto day A. My reasoning is you should be able to clean far more than you can press, so by doin move at same time while although a great move, will limit what you can clean.

Mine I think is 104 based on what quacks said before my op and I had to be weighed. I think 1.5 is a good milestone. U enjoying the low rep high weight stuff a la cnp then?

100 is nearly 1.5 times bw for me. I'm going for it anyway, should maybe be more a slap in the Face forfit for who loses?

Time to update after nearly a week, and a pretty poor week at that. Lets do a good idea vs bad idea style list. Good ideas: 1. Did very well on my life goals, keeping strong on those 2. Got more business plan done, its a long task but defo worth it in the end. Bad idea: 1. No workouts apart from a few push ups just to keep me from ripping my hair out, 2. didnt really eat enough My face felt like someone had smashed in my delightlful features then set them on fire! A liquid diet for 7 days, most texturally exciting item was some noodles! On the plus side, had lots of protein shake, probably consumed a small cows worth of protein during my forced starvation. Almost back to full power now, only feels very painful as opposed to riduculous please kill me pain. Will stick another post up soon about my workout plan, wrote it a couple of days ago but no chance to post quote : " Let us so live that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." Mark Twain

I do like agreement :-) 5x5 is a fine starting point for lifters agreed, just try not to get too hung up on this program or that one. I think if I was starting out again, I would do 5x5 for say 4-6 months, 3x10 for same, then 10x3. Or something like that. After that I would have decent form, know how my body responded and plan accordingly. But that's just me. As for the original question, both seem pretty similar principles, so start slowly, nail form then plow ahead, above all be consistent in your training. Any program only gives you what you put in

My appologies if my reply seemed demeaning, it was not meant as such, just read into the holy Grail comment too much I guess. There are many ways o progress, weight, reps, sets, rest periods etc. I was just trying to say increase in weight is best for what most keyboard litters call noob gains. The length of that period will vary, but by no means is that the end of lifting or moving heavier stuff. Just trying to say the lifting is personal, reps and sets are personal, and sometimes it takes time to learn what you prefer or what works best for an individual. Just know too many people that blindly follow a routine without thought or advancing, just add weight once a month or when they can, becoming an iron shifting version of a drone. Though in retrospect that statistic is probably balanced by the routine hopping folks who change protocols every other gym session. Hmmmm. (thinks longingly about the sorry state of most gyms)

I think linear progression works well for most people in the beginning, after that you need to find what works best for you, not some magic program written by sages wearing lifting straps and one arm overhead pressing a small elephant while dispensing wisdom about sets and reps. What works for you could well vary from everyone else. As for the genetic potential of strength, a wiser and stronger man than I said it best "f*%k genetics". hard work and hard will trumps genetics any day.

Google the triple bypass burger, now that's a mass gaining meal.

I love his blog too, been reading it for while. He is a knowledgable nutcase! Lol.

Stupid strength isn't a prerequisite of pro wrestling, yeah those guys are strong but with alot of moves the other guy helps. Alot of pro wrestler programs have big size element to them, not just strength. Any routine where u get strong and big will work. John cena does alot of oly lifting, randy orton and hhh do more body builder style. Squat and dl alot, add in bench, curls and pull ups and your set :-)

Ahoy hoy! Im back for my fourth challenge, though i would really like to take a mulligan on my last two! So the plan of attck this time is to keep it very simple, lay strong foundations before trying to build a fantastical building to awe and inspire. Fitness Goals im keeping this the most simple, as this is were i have, shall we say, underperformed of late. Goal 1: Get stronger. I aim to gains trength in the big lifts, or variations thereof. I dont have starting stats yet due to some in activity but will update soon as i do. Goal 2: Get Bigger I aim to put on some size, currently standing at 70kg with knack all bodyfat, would like to gain a few kilos or lbs depending on your measuring preferences. Goal 3: Get generally fitter Practice my martial arts skills, up my stamina, agility and all those cool things a hero would have Life Goals These have been fairly succesful during my last challenges, so im keeping the momentum Goal 1: Keep being a better person Yeah its vague, but i try to keep improving on the person i am both personally and with my interaction with others. Goal 2: work/life balance Mine is often a bit screwed, so this challenge i want to adress that and be more motivated outside the workplace rather than all my efforts going to cooking for people i dont even know lol Additional items!!! Firstly i cant start the working out yet, as i just had wisdm tooth surgery, and am currently trying the soup diet (not recommended). This means im in a fair chunnk of pain, but if i do anything strenous my face feels like its gonna pop, not good. Secondly i have a challenge running with a certain yeller belly from scunthorpe, on a bench target of 100kg! We are still undecided on an award yet, but im sure there will be plenty of back slapping and mockery Super duper bonus I have decided to go that big step of becommming my own boss, so im gonna try open my own restaurant. This challenges bonus is to move closer to that dream with securing finances and anything else that can be done in this six week window. I am gonna come up with some rewards and scoring system for this challenge, and will post full details of my workout plan, but any suggestions for a scoring system or treats will be gladly accepted. I am also undecided to join a squad or not, as my goals are strength and size that would give two squads that fit the bill, so im torn as to which squad. As always i will try post something motivating with each real update. Sponge out "If you reach for the stars, the worst that will happen is you will touch the sky"