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You're welcome! And thank you for giving me some pointers too. This has been a fun conversation.

LOL! What a fun post! I think it's cool how you guys have ended up teaching me some things about eating fruit. So... Raw Till 4... Before I tell you how Raw Till 4 is supposed to be done, I'll remind you that it was invented... I think a year and a half ago. Of course it has picked up speed since then and is becoming fairly popular. However, the diet (or lifestyle) was INVENTED. If you wanted to try eating fruit until 4 and then eat natural/healthy foods that were lean and low sodium (even if that included meat) then I don't see why it wouldn't work. However, I'm not like most vegetarian/vegans... I don't think meat is terrible for the human body. Anyone else doing Raw Till 4 would tell you that meat kills you... Just FYI. Raw Till 4 is meant to operate by eating raw fruits until 4:00. Then, you eat very large healthy high-carb vegan meals after 4:00. The high-carb part is important to keep you full and satisfied. Some dinner options are rice, potatoes, sweet potatoes, soup, corn pasta, sushi, asian food (including vegan chinese takeout), curry... you get the idea... If it contains a lot of rice or potatoes and/or is vegan and low in sodium or gluten-free or and doesn't contain a lot of processed crap but is still high-carb... then it's good. Also be sure to drink a lot of water and avoid stimulants. No coffee, caffeine, alcohol, etc. And another important detail is that after 4:00 when you start eating cooked food, don't eat any fruit after that point. I think that has something to do with avoiding bloating or something. Not certain. Although, combining Raw Till 4 with eating meat and vegetables at night sounds sort of like a modified paleo diet. Hm... And I should mention that there is one area that fruitarianism stands out against every other diet (and I'm not sure where Raw Till 4 stands here)... And you can google search and youtube search this too... A lot of people have used fruitarianism or raw veganism to cure major illnesses, cancer, diabetes, diseases where they were told they had only a few months to live... Just something to keep in mind (I know I do). So... I guess my answer is that you should try a 'modified raw till 4.' Why not? Who knows... you could start a new diet trend. lol

Wow! Just wow! You just wrote a novel! That is a great compilation of information. I don't think I disagree with anything you said there. Thanks for the information!

I allow myself to eat all the healthy vegan food I want (heavy on the fruit). So, my cravings aren't that bad. If I ever do think of eating something unhealthy, I just let myself eat as much of something vegan and healthy as I want. Oh! And buy a TONGUE SCRAPER! I swear it has helped me! So basically, food gets left on your tongue throughout the day causing your tongue to look whiter. That means that oils, fats, sugars, salts, etc. are there tickling your taste buds. That is part of the reason why if you cheat once, you'll want to cheat again soon after. Tongue scrapers remove all that stuff from your tongue so that you crave less.

Oh wow. Six weeks? I'm not suggesting you will be a full fruitarian. Just suggesting some helpful info. Various fruits do so many things for the human body (including fiber) that avoiding them completely could hardly work out in your favor. You could start off with a big fruit breakfast, have a side of fruit at lunch, fruit for snacks, etc. Regardless, fruit is not going to make you fat. So add some back to your diet. It can only help you.

Well, the most popular book you can read about eating this way, which definitely covers digestion, is 'The 80/10/10 Diet' by Douglas N Graham. I know all about it, but I haven't actually read the book (I'm bad XD). But a lot of people with questions about the lifestyle start by reading the book. BTW, 80/10/10 means 80% complex carbohydrates (fruits and vegetables), 10 percent lean protein (veggies, fruits, nuts, etc.), and 10 percent fat (avocados, coconuts, nuts, seeds). A lot of raw eaters/raw till 4 people don't worry too much about exact amounts anymore. As long as you aren't downing avocados, coconuts, nuts, and seeds, you should be fine.

LOL! I'm glad you've been mulling it over. I really am sorry for sort of taking over your topic! :/ Yes, the way you worded that sounds about right. Eat those apples! That sounds right too. You basically poop out the extra. And in case you're worried about digestive issues from eating so much fruit, after the first few days of detoxing, your digestive system works a lot better. A lot of people have basically cured digestive issues like IBS. I also have no IBS issues when I stick with it.

Alright. I came up with another answer for you. Let me know if this helps. Eating 3000 calories of fruit per day will yield less (or no) fat gain compared to eating 3000 calories of junk food. Here's why: 1. Absorption. You're body spends more energy trying to break down the fiber in the fruit, and you end up not absorbing 100% of the calories from the fruit you eat. Whereas, you usually absorb all the calories from junk because it is so highly processed already. 2. How fruit affects you. When you eat fruit, there is not a strong insulin response because of the fiber. Therefore our body doesn't go straight into fat storage mode, as it would if you ate a big cake. There are probably a couple other factors too. Its very UNLIKELY that one would be able to eat enough excess fruit to gain substantial fat, but it is possible. So, technically excess calories from fruit can (although unlikely) make you fat, but you can get away with eating many more calories in fruit than you could of other foods. That is why fruitarians are always so slim after being on the lifestyle long enough. And I want to elaborate on how one would consume so much fruit that they would gain weight in the long run. So, if you slowly consumed fruit all day, you wouldn't gain weight. If you ate three super huge fruit meals (ten bananas per meal, a galleon of fruit smoothie, an entire watermelon per meal, etc.) then you would not gain weight. You would likely only gain weight if you were smashing in fruit non-stop all day. I've found that when I have consumed large fruit meals, it takes a while to complete an entire fruit meal, and afterwards I'm completely satisfied and don't want or need to eat for a while. So, weight gain should not be an issue in the long run. I think it can be more complex. Fruitarians consume almost no fat. Eating fat, you have more fat in the blood stream. This makes insulin not efficient at the cell membrane and also not thyroxin. So insulin builds and that in turns plows calories into fat cells EVEN IF YOU ARE STARVING. There is some special clarity you can reach once you de-fat your diet. You can feel it. I think factors are much more complex than simply too many calories. Also, it's not just a matter of proving that excess calories from fruit will not make you fat, it's a matter of disproving the entire "calories in/calories out" paradigm which has been hammered into people from a young age. It rests on the *incorrect assumption* that the relationship between caloric intake and body weight is linear or even logarithmic (in reality, it is far more complex, sometimes even inverse,and the body resists all attempts to intentionally modify weight via changing caloric intake.) This is too big of a topic for me to address here but you can start with the Ancel Keys Starvation Study (the Minnesota Starvation Experiment) and from then on, read about anorexia recovery (how they do it in inpatient facilities), additional carb overfeeding studies, learn about carbohydrate metabolism and metabolism in general, and talk to people who have had different experiences with weight and caloric intake. (I keep finding more information to add. XP)

Well hold on... If you are genuinely interested in getting hardcore evidence... then I'll keep talking with you about it. I was beginning to feel like you guys were just trying to prove me wrong. But if you are just really curious, then I'd love to find some more information to answer your questions. Give me a little time to find a really solid answer to your excess calorie question.

Ugh.... I typed a pretty lengthy email but it didn't post.... Ugh! Well I'm not typing all of it again. The short version is, I have given you tons of useful information. Obviously there is no convincing you guys, which is no surprise since you can find studys for and against every food, diet, etc. I could talk about this forever, but we aren't accomplishing anything biy going back and forth like this. So... I'm just going to stop. If you want more information about fruitarianism/Raw Till 4 try 30bananasaday.com, read, watch more youtube videos, or track down some documentaries. Peace!

Thanks! That's a refreshing take on the matter. This sounds a lot like my problem. My parents have been freaking out because a few girls have been kidnapped or murdered in their state recently... it's basically a thousand miles away from me... but they won't stop freaking out about it. I may just go jogging (the smart ways) and not tell my parents about it.

Yeah. I guess bad things can happen anytime anywhere. I actually feel really comfortable being out in the dark... but I also feel like bad people like to work in the dark too. Ok. Those are some great points. I have been a little careless with my headphones in the past... Those are some good points. The one thing I'm always super careful about is traffic.

Thanks so much for all the great responses, you guys! I agree. I feel a lot safer during daylight hours. Why is it so dark after work?! Why?! And I've actually thought about getting a giant killer dog for the same reason. lol! I do have some pepper spray... I should start carrying that with me when I exercise. Awww.... Well, maybe your dog can scare people from a distance? I love exercising with friends, but that tends to only happen maybe once or twice a week... when the weather is nice out. I can hardly see group workouts happening over the next several cooler months.

I have done extensive research on my own for over a year now. I've done so much research on the subject that it just feels like common sense to me now. Try this article and scientific study. http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/31/making-the-case-for-eating-fruit/?_r=0 http://en.youscribe.com/catalogue/tous/health-and-well-being/medicine/american-medical-association-examining-the-health-effects-of-2206160 The blood test results show that regardless of what doctors and health organizations say you need to consume for various nutrient levels, these people are doing fantastically by eating only fruit... So it seems that maybe the doctors and health organizations don't know everything. Here are the above links again to an article and scientific study. http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/31/making-the-case-for-eating-fruit/?_r=0 http://en.youscribe.com/catalogue/tous/health-and-well-being/medicine/american-medical-association-examining-the-health-effects-of-2206160