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Hey Monks,

 

A Ranger here dropping in to see if any of ya'll study Western-boxing? I'm interesting in learning this sport because, frankly, I want to learn how to throw a punch and dodge a punch. What has your experience been like? Also, have any of ya'll struggled finding a boxing gym that teaches the sport-itself rather than the punch-your-way-to-fitness model?

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8 hours ago, Kae said:

Hey Monks,

 

A Ranger here dropping in to see if any of ya'll study Western-boxing? I'm interesting in learning this sport because, frankly, I want to learn how to throw a punch and dodge a punch. What has your experience been like? Also, have any of ya'll struggled finding a boxing gym that teaches the sport-itself rather than the punch-your-way-to-fitness model?

 

I teach boxing. Competed as a professional in the Philippines years ago.

 

Fitness boxing has boomed the past few years, with franchises like TITLE Boxing Club and what used to be LA Boxing, where you can actually hit a bag, popping-up all over the place, instead of the cardio "boxing" classes taught in dance rooms. I believe celebrities like Adriana Lima getting really into it contributed to this. Some places that focus on the fitness don't have paths to competition; I was working at TITLE Boxing Club when we got the memorandum that you can't spar in the club. I do believe that most competition-focused gyms welcome boxing for fitness, as that is where most of the clientele will come from. (Maybe 1% will want to actually spar, and even fewer will want to compete.) But the fitness aspect does open the door for possible competition. I believe Holly Holm started out with Boxercise classes.

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Hey Machete,

 

Thank you for your response. I have no issue with boxing for fitness and think it serves an important role because most people do not want to spar. I would prefer to learn for possible competition. The issue is that in my area, there are only boxing for fitness for adults. All the local rec centers have competition-focused gyms but, unfortunately, they only train youth so I'm kinda struggling finding a gym. I did reach out to our local golden gloves organization so that will hopefully help. If I'm not able to find a gym, do you think I could get a good grounding in the sport from fitness centers? Otherwise it looks like I'll just have to wait until I can afford any of the Muay Thai/MMA gyms around.

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12 hours ago, Kae said:

Hey Machete,

 

Thank you for your response. I have no issue with boxing for fitness and think it serves an important role because most people do not want to spar. I would prefer to learn for possible competition. The issue is that in my area, there are only boxing for fitness for adults. All the local rec centers have competition-focused gyms but, unfortunately, they only train youth so I'm kinda struggling finding a gym. I did reach out to our local golden gloves organization so that will hopefully help. If I'm not able to find a gym, do you think I could get a good grounding in the sport from fitness centers? Otherwise it looks like I'll just have to wait until I can afford any of the Muay Thai/MMA gyms around.

 

Ha. Just like gymnastics--no adult programs. Fitness boxing is very variable in terms of what you learn. Some of my co-workers at TITLE Boxing Club had absolutely no fight experience, while others had as many as 70+ matches. Some teach actual technical moves, others just make members tired (which is what most of them want in the first place). Honestly I think the only requirement to hold a "boxing" fitness class would be the ability to engage a crowd. So I wouldn't bet on it. You can't know what you don't know. If anything I'd just learn the very basics from teh internets (just vet your sources and don't get caught in a black hole of different points-of-view), and practice shadowboxing with the Bas Rutten Workout.

 

If you live in the US you could also search for a registered USA Boxing gym.

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Thanks @Machete, I've found some videos that cover the fundamentals, so I'll start with that. I do live in the US, so thank you for that resource! Unfortunately, it's still a little slim on the adult end but I think there's an option in my area. 

 

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On 10/10/2017 at 4:02 PM, Kae said:

Thanks @Machete, I've found some videos that cover the fundamentals, so I'll start with that. I do live in the US, so thank you for that resource! Unfortunately, it's still a little slim on the adult end but I think there's an option in my area.

 

I like this one. Very basic and principle-based; stuff you probably can't be too good at. (That kid fought GGG in 2015.)

 

 

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On 10/12/2017 at 10:26 AM, Machete said:

 

I like this one. Very basic and principle-based; stuff you probably can't be too good at. (That kid fought GGG in 2015.)

 

 

 

That's David Lemieux?  JESUS

 

Also, as previously mentioned JT Van V is good.  Johnny Nguyen of ExpertBoxing is another great source.

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I've only trained at MMA gyms which there are a bunch in my area (South Orange County, CA). I'd have to drive maybe 20 miles north to find a pure boxing gym. I agree that it's harder to find a true boxing gym rather than a boxing for fitness type. 

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A lot of the places (in fact, all but two) are the punch-your-way-to-fitness model. 

 

And even out of those two, one of them does engage in the workout version in the group classes, while those who want to get more intense have to do private lessons.

 

It's a shame. Gyms like the one in ROCKY are few and far between...well, at least in smaller cities like where I live. I bet in NYC, LA, and the like, you can find them right around the corner. 

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I just wanted to stop by and thank @Machete, @Bighara, and @Benry for the recommendations. The only boxing gyms that train adults in my area ended up being too expensive for me (and mostly were the professional boxing teams associated with boxing-fitness centers). So, these videos have been helpful! Not being right handed, finding good shadow boxing to follow has been difficult but I've found something I like.

 

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22 hours ago, Kae said:

I just wanted to stop by and thank @Machete, @Bighara, and @Benry for the recommendations. The only boxing gyms that train adults in my area ended up being too expensive for me (and mostly were the professional boxing teams associated with boxing-fitness centers). So, these videos have been helpful! Not being right handed, finding good shadow boxing to follow has been difficult but I've found something I like.

 

Awesome. Keep at it. It's usually easy to find out what you need to do--the challenge is in outsourcing it to our bodies. Years ago I just had a guy practice the jab 500 times a day. He didn't have a bag, a gym membership, or a car, so he just shadowboxed, slowly and mindfully. I think he also punched paper and candles. He eventually got into a friendly sparring match, and while he looked like he was getting whooped with high kicks and knees for a bit, he knocked the guy out (like legitimately, the guy was on the ground, glassy-eyed and unconscious for a few seconds) with the same jab he had practiced thousands of times. Brilliance in the basics is what it's all about.

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Hi, Kae! A little late to the party here, but I was perusing the Monks knowledge forum, saw your post, and was wondering how things are going! It is incredibly challenging to find traditional boxing gyms anymore, btw-- So you are definitely not alone in this. 

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On ‎8‎/‎11‎/‎2018 at 8:02 PM, TIPSYwithWATER (Odynne) said:

Hi, Kae! A little late to the party here, but I was perusing the Monks knowledge forum, saw your post, and was wondering how things are going! It is incredibly challenging to find traditional boxing gyms anymore, btw-- So you are definitely not alone in this. 

 

Hey @TIPSYwithWATER (Odynne) - No luck with a gym (either out of my age range, price range, or commitment range). So! I've been utilizing the resources people have shared here and some I've found on my own (such as shadow boxing tracks for lefties or that use numbers) to work on form and shadow-boxing by myself. My gym has a bag, so I think I'll treat myself to wraps and gloves when I have the chance and tack that on to the end of my workouts. If you have any suggestions, let me know! All in all, it's not ideal but I enjoy it and it gets the job done.

 

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10 hours ago, Kae said:

 

Hey @TIPSYwithWATER (Odynne) - No luck with a gym (either out of my age range, price range, or commitment range). So! I've been utilizing the resources people have shared here and some I've found on my own (such as shadow boxing tracks for lefties or that use numbers) to work on form and shadow-boxing by myself. My gym has a bag, so I think I'll treat myself to wraps and gloves when I have the chance and tack that on to the end of my workouts. If you have any suggestions, let me know! All in all, it's not ideal but I enjoy it and it gets the job done.

 

 

If you're on your own, I definitely recommend Bas Ruten's Muay Thai boxing CDs. They're a bit old school (which is awesome in my opinion), and they have some kickboxing elements, but they are fantastic guides! He calls out numbers, combinations, keeps track of the round timing and rest timing (discs are organized by round duration), and talks through little tips during the rest periods. It's really powerful! The link I gave you is for the set online, which is expensive because it's hard to get a copy anymore, but you can find pieces of it on Youtube and may be able to find a used set somewhere for cheaper. Also, along that line, treat yourself to some wireless headphones along with the other gear you collect-- Not having cords in the way makes a huge difference and is quite liberating! You can get a decent pair on Amazon for less than $20 (I use MPows and find them quite comparable to Beats, which are undoubtedly great audio devices, but they're so super pricy!)

 

Another option, which may be a bit far-fetched (but you never know...) is to see if local universities in your area have personal training/exercise science programs, and see if their students offer training as part of their course experience-- If you're lucky, you may find one with a boxing/martial arts background. Using this same method, you could put up an ad for a mitt/sparring partner/trainer in local gyms, like YMCAs and such, where you might catch the attention of someone who has such a background. Just because there aren't boxing gyms around, doesn't mean there aren't boxers around!! Just a thought... :) Good luck to you! Keep us updated!

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