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22 minutes ago, Laghail said:

I couldn't even take a leak without someone at the next urinal over commenting something encouraging about my bench attempts.

.....now that just sounds like ego boasting...barbell....

 

sorry, couldn't resist, I'll go back to my corner LOL

 

Grats on going and doing the work! I'm no where near meet level, maybe someday

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11 minutes ago, Grumble said:

 

Like, family kindred, or some group/cult/association thing I'm not familiar with?

 

10 minutes ago, calanthrophy said:

 

What is this?

Edit: Do you mean a family member? I'm feeling pretty dumb over here.
Edit 2: I see Grumble asked the same question and I feel less dumb.

 

A kindred is like a church for soft polytheists; I'm giving myself a year to simultaneously say I believe / I'm exploring / I'm excited / I'm not sure. Also won't have to trade in my Unitarian card if I stick around. The two groups mesh really well from what I've seen. More exploration required.

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4 minutes ago, Laghail said:

 

 

A kindred is like a church for soft polytheists; I'm giving myself a year to simultaneously say I believe / I'm exploring / I'm excited / I'm not sure. Also won't have to trade in my Unitarian card if I stick around. The two groups mesh really well from what I've seen. More exploration required.

 

This is unusual in an interesting way. Feel free to say more words about it as they become available.

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well done at the meet! looks like you had a great time and put up some great numbers in each lift :D 

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6 hours ago, Laghail said:

soft polytheists

Polytheists who don't even lift?

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11 hours ago, Laghail said:

A kindred is like a church for soft polytheists; I'm giving myself a year to simultaneously say I believe / I'm exploring / I'm excited / I'm not sure. Also won't have to trade in my Unitarian card if I stick around. The two groups mesh really well from what I've seen. More exploration required.

 

On a scale of 1 to "One is Too Many" how many neckbeards and/or white supremacists would you say are in your kindred?  I jest.  :P

 

I feel qualified to make that joke on account of my past dabbling in Asatru and Heathenry. 

 

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4 hours ago, Tanktimus the Encourager said:

Polytheists who don't even lift?

 

These polytheists sounds like they need either steroids or Viagra.

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On 1/22/2018 at 12:36 PM, calanthrophy said:

 

This is unusual in an interesting way. Feel free to say more words about it as they become available.

 

On 1/22/2018 at 7:25 PM, Tanktimus the Encourager said:

Polytheists who don't even lift?

 

On 1/23/2018 at 12:06 AM, Rurik Harrgath said:

These polytheists sounds like they need either steroids or Viagra.

 

Heh, apparently when you talk about divinity, deciding what you mean by the statement "I believe in god(s)", it can get a little slippery. There are more options that the ones below, but a simplified menu that people pick from would go something like this - 

  • God(s) is a memetic entity who exists only as an idea in the mind of humans. Which isn't to say he/she/it/they don't exist; they exist as real and powerful concepts in peoples' imagination - like other imaginary concepts such as the human spirit, hypertext transfer protocol, freedom, insurance, sexual consent, money, dignity, language, depression, and honor. None of these things have an existence outside of words and cultural conventions. They also create and sustain our world. (Atheism / Agnosticism / Humanism / Soft Polytheism)
  • God(s) has an independent existence, not needing our acknowledgement or observation (Monotheism / Pantheism / Hard Polytheism / Soft Polytheism)
    • He/she/it is one (Monotheists)
      • Other gods are lies (Most versions of Abrahamic faiths)
      • Other gods are partial perceptions of the one true god (Hinduism / Soft Polytheism)
        • Other gods are valid perceptions of the one true god, who is not knowable (Soft Polytheism)
    • He/she/it is all 
      • God is the emergent property of all that exists. God is nature, god is physics, god is us, god is you (Secular Pantheism)
      • God is present in everything, but has a distinct existence from everything (Transcendentalism / Soft Polytheism)
    • He/she/it is many
      • The many gods have independent existences of each other, or Jupiter is a distinct entity from Zeus (Hard Polytheism)
      • The many gods have a quasi-distinct existence from each other; or Jupiter is not the same as Zeus, but they are separate cultural concepts of the same storm god entity, who himself (usually storm gods are men, except for Ororo Monroe :love-struck:) has an independent existence (Hard Polytheism)
      • The many gods are mirrors of each other, or Jupiter is the same entity as Zeus (Soft Polytheism)
        • The many gods are mirrors of the one god; or Jupiter, Yahweh, and any god are fragments/facets of god (Soft Polytheism)
        • The many gods can be accurately conceived as one pantheon of distinct beings, but various cultures conceive of these distinct beings by different respective names; or zeus = jupiter = lugh = indra = odin = yahweh = baal kali = baron samedi the buddha ≠ asherah = the virgin mary = frigg = hera (Hard Polytheism / Soft Polytheism)
On 1/23/2018 at 12:06 AM, Rurik Harrgath said:

On a scale of 1 to "One is Too Many" how many neckbeards and/or white supremacists would you say are in your kindred?  I jest.  :P

Hahaha! Fantastic scale, and you're generally not wrong, but this kindred so far is equally split between stoners and mystic post-feminists. I'm not complaining. Also not saying they're too structured, but not complaining.

Apparently there's denominations in heathenry? The more folkish (European gods are for European descendants) tend to self-select for skinhead / "reclaiming masculinity" types, and the universalist heathens (Heimdall was black, just deal with it) can be anti-racist to the point of armchair antifa activism. Like post-nazi German culture, anything within a country mile of a swastika gets smacked with a ban hammer.

While racist shits are racist shits, I don't have anything against folkish blue-collar white men having their own fight clubs, reading Nietzche, listening to Swedish metal and wearing lots of algiz tattoos. Probs worse ways to build community; just cool it with the hate crimes, bitte. 

 

Edit: Tribalist exists as a third denomination. I'm not sure how to distinguish it from the other two categories, but folks seem pretty adamant on there being a meaningful distinction.

 

Edit: google says that folkish tend to see asatru / paganry as a matter of blood - you ain't white, you aint right. Or to put it less pejoratively, they think people of Asian or African descent should worship gods from those cultures. Then Universalist heathens are the opposite extreme, if you say you worship the vanir and aesir, that's all it takes. A middle ground, the tribalists, see the commitment as something to be adopted into. So people of African heritage are welcome, provided they're committed enough to figuratively apply for adoption into the specific group of believers. More a matter of membership than race, as whitey has to go through the same application/adoption process. I'm cool with tribalism if that's the actual practice.

 

Edit: Apparently Folkish people tend to be the group mostly likely to use the term "Odinist" to describe themselves. To @Heidi's point.

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1 hour ago, Laghail said:

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While racist shits are racist shits, I don't have anything against folkish blue-collar white men having their own fight clubs, reading Nietzche, listening to Swedish metal and wearing lots of algiz tattoos. Probs worse ways to build community; just cool it with the hate crimes, bitte. 

 

Edit: Tribalist exists as a third denomination. I'm not sure how to distinguish it from the other two categories, but folks seem pretty adamant on there being a meaningful distinction.

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I kind of dig the "blue-collar white men having their own fight clubs, reading Nietzche, listening to Swedish metal and wearing lots of algiz tattoos..."  Hence my affection for Paul Waggener and Jack Donovan, both of whom are probably further Right on that scale than makes me comfortable.  I even understand where the honest, genuine Folkisch sorts are coming from; it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for me to worship Vishna than someone born in Indonesia to follow the Asatru folkway, but to each their own.  It's a funny line to walk about Norse Mythology is fairly prevalent in pop culture these days, and let's face it, Vikings are pretty cool.

 

Always figured Tribalists fall somewhere between Folkish/Universalist heathens, like you don't have to be Northern European to join my Kindred, but you need to fit in with my tribe/innagard/inner circle whether by geography, shared beliefs. Troth, and/or blood oath but less extreme in practice than both.

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10 minutes ago, Rurik Harrgath said:

 

I kind of dig the "blue-collar white men having their own fight clubs, reading Nietzche, listening to Swedish metal and wearing lots of algiz tattoos..."  Hence my affection for Paul Waggener and Jack Donovan, both of whom are probably further Right on that scale than makes me comfortable.  I even understand where the honest, genuine Folkisch sorts are coming from; it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for me to worship Vishna than someone born in Indonesia to follow the Asatru folkway, but to each their own.  It's a funny line to walk about Norse Mythology is fairly prevalent in pop culture these days, and let's face it, Vikings are pretty cool.

 

Always figured Tribalists fall somewhere between Folkish/Universalist heathens, like you don't have to be Northern European to join my Kindred, but you need to fit in with my tribe/innagard/inner circle whether by geography, shared beliefs. Troth, and/or blood oath but less extreme in practice than both.

 

Accurate/thoughtful rurik is accurate and thoughtful

 

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There's another ism I include mainly because I find it fun to say.

 

Henotheism: Other Gods exist, but yours suck and mine is the best. Depending on the henotheist, it is: a ) pointless, b ) unwise,  c ) harmless, or d ) sinful to worship those other gods.

The Hebrews weren't true monotheists until during and after the Babylonian Exile. From the time of Moses till then they were best described as Henotheists, which is why syncretism and worshipping other Gods was a thing. They believed the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob existed, but they also believed Baal and Asherah existed, which is why there was a legitimate temptation to worship those other Gods. It wasn't until the exile (though depending on when you believe certain books were written, maybe right before) that you begin to read about the other Gods not being real Gods. 

 

Also, Traditional Christina Trinitarian belief will sometimes lead Jewish or Muslim scholars to declare Christians aren't true monotheists, whereas Christians will simply admit to being bad at math. As I often say, if your model of the Trinity makes sense, it's probably heretical.

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32 minutes ago, Tanktimus the Encourager said:

 

Also, Traditional Christinan Trinitarian belief will sometimes lead Jewish or Muslim scholars to declare Christians aren't true monotheists, whereas Christians will simply admit to being bad at math. As I often say, if your model of the Trinity makes sense, it's probably heretical.

 

What? You mean 1 = 3  = ∞ is illogical? 

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36 minutes ago, Tanktimus the Encourager said:

if your model of the Trinity  faith makes sense, it's probably heretical.

ftfy

 

No part of faith/belief structure is logical. It's more of a square peg...no hole scenario

 

Or a mudcarp trying to understand cold fusion for that matter...but we try

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On 1/4/2018 at 3:19 PM, Laghail said:

Trying to put more of a footing under my rejection of fundamentalism than, "but they're mean to gays."

Why is this an insufficient grounds for rejection?

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On 1/4/2018 at 5:41 PM, Tanktimus the Encourager said:

I feel like deconstructionism fails to recognize that even though there is ambiguity in language people actually manage to use it every day and despite it's flaws we make it work.

I am with @Tanktimus the Encourager on this one, even though I know it's so much less than hip.

Frankly, the Canon are misogynistic and biased af.

Read them anyway.

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Just caught up.

Hi, @Laghail!

How's it going?

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5 hours ago, Heidi said:

Why is this an insufficient grounds for rejection?

 

Maturity. It's bad to be mean, it's acceptable to cut off mean people, it's good to understand mean people and their particular history. Fundamentalism was defined in reaction to German higher/historical criticism, and by the cold war. Before the scopes monkey trial, the boogeyman that pulpits spoke against was the school of thought that wanted to more closely examine the history around the myths of Christianity. The new theologies began to contradict popular theological assumptions, just before advances in natural sciences joined in to also challenge the assumptions of the 19th century worldview. American Society was industrializing and urbanizing rapidly in the 20th century, and the post-war boom brought a mix of wealth, increased family sizes, redefined personal relationship structures, and a sense of cultural moral superiority. Take this entire storm front of change and throw it into a global conflict that American's saw as the ultimate struggle of good vs evil, the cold war - Joe McCarthy, Fred Phelps, Jerry Falwell, James Dobson, Rush Limbaugh, and Pat Robertson; they make sense in this context.

I'm okay with seeing people as monsters, but I'd rather see them with more nuance.

 

4 hours ago, Heidi said:

I am with @Tanktimus the Encourager on this one, even though I know it's so much less than hip.

Frankly, the Canon are misogynistic and biased af.

Read them anyway.

 

Always fair Heidi. Always.

I think Deconstructionism is a form of truth-telling. It's a way to tell the truth to yourself about why you value some things, why you do other things, and the histories behind the ideas you take for granted. Truth telling can be done immaturely, and it can also be received immaturely. The emperor has no clothes is a fine story, but what about telling someone the honest truth about their lack of significance, or the honest truth about their most comforting mythologies? When @Tanktimus the Encourager and others worry that deconstructionism goes "too far", I think they are concerned over folks who lose pivotal pieces of their reality, through the truth telling process of deconstructionism, and then have nothing. The glibness of many post-modern discourses use, it belies the chasm of meaningless that's an obsession in the genre. Read Neitzche or Keirgegard, or watch the bojack clip (thanks @Deckard Gainz) below, to get an idea of that despair that has to be dealt with when we talk about post-modernism and deconstruction.

 

 

While you can use deconstructionism immaturely and arrive at truths you're not ready to handle, or you can respond to hard truth immaturely; I it's also immature to discard this tool of truth telling.

 

4 hours ago, Heidi said:

Just caught up.

Hi, @Laghail!

How's it going?

 

Hey friend. Just getting caught up on your challenge. I admire how you handle your life. You show a lot of grace.

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4 minutes ago, Laghail said:

Hey friend. Just getting caught up on your challenge.

Hey there back.

Do you subscribe to a particular school of thought, personally, in terms of politics or philosophy?

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6 minutes ago, Laghail said:

I'm okay with seeing people as monsters, but I'd rather see them with more nuance.

I hear you on that mark.

Of course, I think there's alot of ground between simple personal rejection and calling someone a monster. I like the summary of the social history of the world. :) 

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6 minutes ago, Heidi said:

Hey there back.

Do you subscribe to a particular school of thought, personally, in terms of politics or philosophy?

 

My views are too lofty to be captured in the narrow labels that other people use. I hate -isms except for me-ism and truth-ism.

Social democrat. Pragmatic liberalism. Unitarian. 

Not everyone can be a unicorn.

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4 hours ago, Laghail said:

When @Tanktimus the Encourager and others worry that deconstructionism goes "too far", I think they are concerned over folks who lose pivotal pieces of their reality, through the truth telling process of deconstructionism, and then have nothing.

It's not so much that I worry deconstructionism goes too far, but rather that if subjected to reductio ad absurdum one way to look at it is nothing means anything. I am prepared to admit under duress and off the record that deconstructionism is helpful when it can point out people's biases in their conversation, or the assumptions about power and privilege.

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