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I am back!  I need to work on follow through for this sort of thing!  I've fizzled out on my last challenges, but travel had a bit to do with that.  Travel exploded my world in the most delightful of ways.

What are my goals for this challenge?

Be vegan for a month.  I've done it off and on, and I just want to try it, actively, for 4 weeks.  I rarely do dairy, so it's not too far a jump, but being vegan forces me to focus on what I am eating, and I often am making my food anyway.

Tonight starts 4 weeks of meal prep!  In the Japanese bento style!  I'm going to make little bento for my lunches each week, see how that works.

 

Why Japanese? BECAUSE I AM GOING BACK, MOTHERFATHERS!  I got a scholarship to go study Kuruma Ningyo puppetry there, attend a giant international puppet festival, and teach my own workshop in Tokyo!  I am literally vibrating with excitement... but I don't speak Japanese so hot.  I mean... I do alright, but not "hot".  I have a subscription to a learning website (multiples, really), a tutor, and rampant ambition.  I want to clock 10 hours of study a week, at minimum.  This is not so much, but also a lot.  I need to find where it fits in my routine.

 

I joined a Doctor Who themed mini challenge which is about running around looking for The Tardis (oh, my hearts) and that will keep me physically active. Though on dreary winter days I am going to stay in a do yoga.  Anyone have a suggestion for a good yoga class app?  Or youtube video series?  I had Yoga Studio, I bought it any everything, but they clawed it back and now want more money via subscription, which makes me want to watch it all burn.  Not very enlightened of me, I know.  So I am open to suggestions.

Alright, a day late to the party, and I must dash, but I am in!  What are you doing?

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Welcome back. Travel is a delightful thing, disruptive though it is. Congrats on getting to go back to Japan, that sounds like an amazing opportunity. May I ask what website(s) you use? 

 

I don't have any insight to yoga, but I believe several assassins do it diligently. Our fearless leader is compiling a "phone book" for this challenge, so that should be a good resource once released. 

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3 hours ago, Manarelle said:

Welcome back. Travel is a delightful thing, disruptive though it is. Congrats on getting to go back to Japan, that sounds like an amazing opportunity. May I ask what website(s) you use? 

 

I don't have any insight to yoga, but I believe several assassins do it diligently. Our fearless leader is compiling a "phone book" for this challenge, so that should be a good resource once released. 


Ooo... can you link me to the post on this phone book?  I am rubbish at forums, but I love a fitness-minded community and support group!

 

Websites I'm using:
Duolingo for free (it's still new, and not great, almost too gameified, and their nag ads are all "pay us to use the app without ads", rather than offering more support or content.
Memrise: I'm paying like 35$ a year or something for.  It's great.  I am studying 4 different strands of Japanese lessons at the moment, having compleated two others.  And I love their setup, listening skills, speed reviews, strands on kanji... good stuff. And a great deal.

JapanesePod101 (dotcom): I am PAYING for this one.  I think the regular price is 250$/year, and I got it at 40% off or so.  The website takes a bit to get used to, and there are banner ads everywhere reminding me I can buy what I already just bought... but it comes with Sara! My tutor!  An actual human who I chat with every day and answers any questions I have.  It's fantastic.  I direct my own progress. 

 

Right now my routine has been pacing (so I'm not sitting) during my lunch hour and having study sessions on my phone apps.  Then I sit at a computer with Jpop101, write/respond to my tutor, and study a bunch of flashcards.  Jpod101 tracks my "time studied" and of course it's low because it doesn't count my working on a Japanese phrase for Sara, or the time I spend on my apps, but that's fine.  I know that I've studied at least what it says I have.  

Okay!  Now I am off to pace around and study, then eat my little bento of 3 inari (tofu pockets of rice with seasoning) and cucumber daikon salad (and there are two more sets of this in my fridge at home for the rest of the week)
 

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Welcome back and congrats on your super exciting opportunity! When do you take off?

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43 minutes ago, tinywonder said:

6 months!  I have 6 months to learn Japanese and get much more flexible.  6 months is a doable time, and I am working on it daily.

Wait, it's half February now.

I have 5-and-a-half months.

Well, poop. Now I'm stressing.
私は慌てます。

Hahah, sorry! 

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22 hours ago, raptron said:

Hahah, sorry! 

Oh don't worry! I'd be stressing anyway.  It's a good stress though.  I get panicked, but I am doing pretty much everything I can, and at the very worst, I can say "すみません。私の日本語はとてもわるいです。わかりません。ちょっとまってくでさい。".  Which should translate to: "Sorry/Excuse me. My Japanese is very bad.  I do not understand. Please hold on a moment."
Then WHIP OUT MY PHONE, which will have a Japanese SIM card and use Google Translate to say, (or have them write) exactly what I need to say (or they need to tell me).
I am working so hard, and I am proud of the progress I am making.

Thing is, unnerving, and wonderful... it's not just learning Japanese that I need, I need to make a few more sample puppets for a workshop/panel I am teaching/running at a Doctor Who convention in a month, which is sort of my Doctor Who-y dry run for a workshop I am running in Tokyo.

I think this weekend I will work in my studio while NHK Learn Japanese podcast plays in the background.

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On 2/14/2018 at 12:21 PM, tinywonder said:

Ooo... can you link me to the post on this phone book?  I am rubbish at forums, but I love a fitness-minded community and support group!

 

Here's the post to fill out your own challenge. It was just started Tuesday of this week, so the actual phone book hasn't been published yet. A fair number of people have replied on that forum, though, so it's worth scrolling through.

 

Ah, duolingo. I used it diligently for a while, then.... just stopped. Not really sure why. Does it go into the kanji at all, or just use the kana syllabaries? I'm already paying for a Russian tutor, don't think I can justify another one just yet. Seems like you're doing well in your studies, though. How'd the week go, overall?

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1 hour ago, Manarelle said:

 

Here's the post to fill out your own challenge. It was just started Tuesday of this week, so the actual phone book hasn't been published yet. A fair number of people have replied on that forum, though, so it's worth scrolling through.

 

Ah, duolingo. I used it diligently for a while, then.... just stopped. Not really sure why. Does it go into the kanji at all, or just use the kana syllabaries? I'm already paying for a Russian tutor, don't think I can justify another one just yet. Seems like you're doing well in your studies, though. How'd the week go, overall?

This week has been great until today. 

UGH Travel is expensive, scholarship or no.  I have started buying/paying for? the things for this trip.  As in, booked my hotel for Iida.  Booked the closest hotel to where I am studying (still a 45 min train/bus ride, but that's just how it is)  holding off on buying the next hotel block, and buying the last hotel block where I will also be doing my workshop.  It's just weird to spend $250 or so, and then instantly spend $300 more, knowing I'll be kicking out another $100 and $225 soon, and also buy a plane ticket.  It's a lot to take in.  I just need to remember that travel costs are pretty cheap for me in Tokyo once I am there (just trains and food, and I eat on the cheap, grocery store grab and go style) and I will be given $1,000 soon from the scholarship, which takes away about half of the expense... just... damn it's expensive.

 

I'm about to watch Kimi No Na Wa (Your Name) It is a very popular anime movie, I saw it, delirious, on the flight home from Japan last year (only it was in Japanese with Chinese subtitles, because AirChina), and it's Saturday night.  I deserve to relax.  But while I am still listening to Japanese and see how much I get without subtitles (though I will have subs on.)

Other than that, I made a weird spinach, cauliflower, lentil, chick pea and potato curry today.  But realized the sauce I had on hand had dairy in it.  But I don't care, it's in, it was fabulous, and I'm packing it for my Indian themed bentos next week.  Not quite vegan, but it was in the house and when I replace it, I will replace it with something non-dairy.

Feeling pretty good about those goals.

Thanks for the link!  I'm filling it out now!

 

How are you?

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On 2/16/2018 at 11:03 PM, tinywonder said:

Then WHIP OUT MY PHONE, which will have a Japanese SIM card and use Google Translate to say,

I don't know if you have ever used ALC (aka 英辞郎 on the WEB) but it is way better than Google Translate for English<->Japanese translation, especially if you need it for business/academic translation.  

 

https://eow.alc.co.jp/search?q=Japanese-English+translation

 

That is what I used when I was working in Japan and it was great.

 

 

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On 2/18/2018 at 9:37 AM, WhiteGhost said:

I don't know if you have ever used ALC (aka 英辞郎 on the WEB) but it is way better than Google Translate for English<->Japanese translation, especially if you need it for business/academic translation.  

 

https://eow.alc.co.jp/search?q=Japanese-English+translation

 

That is what I used when I was working in Japan and it was great.

 

 


Okay, after a very brief playing around, this seems to be super intense and great for individual words, but less for phrases.  I tried to check myself to see if there was a better was to say "I did not know it", but it wasn't able to translate that phrase (0 Results).  Still, I was able to get very specific puppet terminology which is invaluable for what I am doing, so this is a great tool to add to my tiny arsenal! 

 

I am obviously (I hope) not criticizing this tool, I am just wondering if you have any tips for using it?  I am woefully unable to read kanji (though I am learning it, but learning it is far from knowing it), which slows down my ability to read through the page very quickly.

I also saw it has an app version, I will be grabbing that today and tooling around with it.

 

Thanks for the help!

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Okay, after a very brief playing around, this seems to be super intense and great for individual words, but less for phrases.  I tried to check myself to see if there was a better was to say "I did not know it", but it wasn't able to translate that phrase (0 Results).  Still, I was able to get very specific puppet terminology which is invaluable for what I am doing, so this is a great tool to add to my tiny arsenal! 

 

I am obviously (I hope) not criticizing this tool, I am just wondering if you have any tips for using it?  I am woefully unable to read kanji (though I am learning it, but learning it is far from knowing it), which slows down my ability to read through the page very quickly.

I also saw it has an app version, I will be grabbing that today and tooling around with it.

 

Thanks for the help!

Yeah, it has been a while so I forgot that it is more focused on advanced translation, so it will have mostly unusual/specific phrases. Google is pure machine translation so it will have most of the basic stuff locked in but will have a hard time with hings like colloquialisms. ALC's database is compiled from professional translators who submit tranlsations that they think they have translated better than google, but it is mostly more advanced/professional stuff.

 

It may be good to use google for the basic stuff and then go to alc when google can't deliver :)

 

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8 hours ago, Hazard said:

 

And here I am - simply excited that I think I recognize the hiragana.

 

Something nara something zu something something ruyo !

 

All still gibberish to me, but it’s a start.

 

 

In all kana it would be:

 

きみならかならずできるよ

 

Romaji is kiminara kanarazu dekiruyo

 

:):):)

 

 

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頑張ってる!
Though I do heavily rely on my keyboard to translate into kanji. Like... I didn't write that.  I wrote "ganbatteru" (in kana). I am learning it, but slow.  I know many radicals, but smashing them together... oh my.

Also, I am focusing on speaking and understanding the most.  I can ask for help with reading, etc.  But I need to be able to speak more than read at the moment.  I ordered a copy of "fluent forever" a an audiobook (I literally have no time to read right now), which I plan to burn through and then apply to my learning.

I'm trying to figure out Anki flashcard decks... it oddly reminds me of programming Linux, but that's more an aesthetic thing.

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52 minutes ago, tinywonder said:

Also, I am focusing on speaking and understanding the most. 

I think this is a very good strategy.  I started with speaking and was fluent before I ever started really trying to learn kanji. Most of the things I read had furigana so I didn't really need it.  

 

I have spent a large part of my life learning languages and have, at various times, been certified to translate Japanese, Russian and Korean. My Mandarin is now better than any of thoae ever were but I have not bothered to get certified because I don't work in that field anymore. Becaus of this i have tried a number of different methods and programs and the most successful by far are the ones that focus on speaking and listening, rather than reading, writing, or grammar.  I categorize language learning into a 2x2 graph:

 

                   Active          Passive

Oral:          Speaking     Listening

Written:     Writing        Reading

 

I have found that Active is much more useful than passive in learning because in order to say or write something it has to actively pass through your mind, leaving a stronger imprint, which lasts longer and brings things back to memory more easily.

 

I have also found that oral communication makes for faster learning than written because it is interactive and you can pick up additional meaning through gestures and intonation, which also aid in memory retrieval better than word written on a page.  

 

The languages that I learned the best, and that have stuck with me, are the ones I learned with a focus on speaking first and foremost. In fact, when I was learning Japanese (and later Chinese) I would often spend time talking to myself or inanimate objects around me for practice, just to have more opportunities to speak. I made plenty of errors and said a lot of stupid things, but it worked and I found myself better able to say the things I had learned when it came time to talk to actual human beings :)

 

Most language programs, however, seem to focus on reading, and this is understandable because it is the easiest to replicate across multiple teachers to scale the program. However, in my experience it is the least efficient way to learn a language.

 

That said, however, there is certainly a place for it. Reading is great for reinforcing the things you have learned and is by far the best way to broaden you vocabulary base. You can never really get good at a language (even your own native language) without being able to read, but I really discourage it as the primary learning resource for beginning students.

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4 hours ago, WhiteGhost said:

I think this is a very good strategy.  I started with speaking and was fluent before I ever started really trying to learn kanji. Most of the things I read had furigana so I didn't really need it.  

 

I have spent a large part of my life learning languages and have, at various times, been certified to translate Japanese, Russian and Korean. My Mandarin is now better than any of thoae ever were but I have not bothered to get certified because I don't work in that field anymore. Becaus of this i have tried a number of different methods and programs and the most successful by far are the ones that focus on speaking and listening, rather than reading, writing, or grammar.  I categorize language learning into a 2x2 graph:

 

                   Active          Passive

Oral:          Speaking     Listening

Written:     Writing        Reading

 

I have found that Active is much more useful than passive in learning because in order to say or write something it has to actively pass through your mind, leaving a stronger imprint, which lasts longer and brings things back to memory more easily.

 

I have also found that oral communication makes for faster learning than written because it is interactive and you can pick up additional meaning through gestures and intonation, which also aid in memory retrieval better than word written on a page.  

 

The languages that I learned the best, and that have stuck with me, are the ones I learned with a focus on speaking first and foremost. In fact, when I was learning Japanese (and later Chinese) I would often spend time talking to myself or inanimate objects around me for practice, just to have more opportunities to speak. I made plenty of errors and said a lot of stupid things, but it worked and I found myself better able to say the things I had learned when it came time to talk to actual human beings :)

 

Most language programs, however, seem to focus on reading, and this is understandable because it is the easiest to replicate across multiple teachers to scale the program. However, in my experience it is the least efficient way to learn a language.

 

That said, however, there is certainly a place for it. Reading is great for reinforcing the things you have learned and is by far the best way to broaden you vocabulary base. You can never really get good at a language (even your own native language) without being able to read, but I really discourage it as the primary learning resource for beginning students.

This post is one of the best I've had on this forum. I absolutely agree with you!

Any tips for programs that push spoken/listen language?  I'm going to be making digital flashcard decks (with audio) but want to put the emphasis on audible linguistics as much as possible.

There was a Japanese TV program designed to teach Japanese to foreigners via immersion... And I am sure it had "nihongo no" in the title (maybe) but I heard about it years ago and don't know if I still have the files, and looking for it now, nothing is coming up.

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日本語出来ます!

(にほんごできます)
Nihongo Dekimasu!

That's what it was called!  And I found it! On an old dusty harddrive.  It's such delightful low quality video that the kana subtitles are a little hard to read. It's less weird than I thought and I am just going to watch a few episodes a night to see if it helps.  It can't hurt. However this will have to wait until tomorrow because tonight I am in Atlanta to work on a TV show <3 I am very pleased about this, and it's been eating up all my free time, I am glad to get it done and have the experience land on my CV.  
It's been an awesome week.

今週はすごいでした。

 

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On 2/22/2018 at 3:10 AM, tinywonder said:

Any tips for programs that push spoken/listen language?  I'm going to be making digital flashcard decks (with audio) but want to put the emphasis on audible linguistics as much as possible.

The best program I have come across is the one used by Mormon missionaries, where they spent 2 months learning the basics and enough to survive (buy groceries, ask directons, etc.) and then send them out to live with someone who has been un the program for a while and they spend all of their time talking to people. The US military has tried to replicate the program with limited success.  Their new program is far better than the traditional program of spending up to 18 months sitting in a classroom reading and listening to old news reports.

 

When I was learning Chinese I started with a program in Beijing designed for foreigners but I didn't like it because it was focused on helping pass a standardized test, which didn't interest me. I ended up creating my own program by finding classes that focused on speaking.  Ultimately I think the program itself isn't as important as just getting out there are using it. 

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23 hours ago, tinywonder said:

For those of you playing along at home.

 

Sweet!

 

I don’t understand most of it, but I’m catching a few things, and I love that I’m getting to hear native speakers pronounce the things I catch.  My fav so far:

 

 はじめましてパパですよ :D 

 

Though, what’s the よ on the end mean?

 

 

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On 2/23/2018 at 10:34 AM, Hazard said:

 

Sweet!

 

I don’t understand most of it, but I’m catching a few things, and I love that I’m getting to hear native speakers pronounce the things I catch.  My fav so far:

 

 はじめましてパパですよ :D 

 

Though, what’s the よ on the end mean?

 

 

Hard for me to explain, but ending a sentence with "yo" is sort of like saying "don't you know." but when the listener didn't know.  I think it's a little casual, like colloqial...  But I am not sure.  I am pretty sure it's kind of like "ne' (ね) which gets tacked on to the end of sentences when you want approval like "ですね” basically translated to "it is, ne" or "it is, isn't it?"

That's my guess, though it is a fairly well educated one. I've been hitting the books and fashcards and NHK podcasts pretty hard of late.

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