Arkania's life will be cleared to the base with downshifting

[Tobbe]

40 minutes ago, Arkania said:

ate leftovers from yesterday and now I am preparing

 

I read "pregnant" 

[Arkania]

4 minutes ago, Tobbe said:

 

I read "pregnant" 

Kids, this is how you get pregnant

Just eat leftovers from yesterday!

[Tobbe]

Eat enough and you might feel like you have a small food-baby in your stomach  

[Arkania]

You mean like this?

[Tobbe]

[Ensi]

Following!

[J3NN]

On 10/21/2018 at 7:38 AM, Arkania said:

made "Schnittlauchsuppe" (potato soup with chives) according to a recipe of my grandma my mother gave me with endive salad

This sounds good, I wish it would cool down here so we can have soup weather! I had a friend who did a mission trip or something in Europe once and he made this dish for a potluck, it was sliced potatoes with cream cheese stacked and baked into a casserole. Do you have any idea what that is? I'd love to find a recipe.

 

I love the idea of your on-off days too, I don't know how good I'd be at keeping that up, it feels like the longer I go without something the harder it is to build the habit... but some days you just need an off day. Maybe I should just build that in and allow myself to not count those days in points... Call it self care, mental health days or something. Good idea!

 

Happy Monday!

[Tobbe]

48 minutes ago, J3NN said:

I had a friend who did a mission trip or something in Europe once and he made this dish for a potluck, it was sliced potatoes with cream cheese stacked and baked into a casserole.

 

 In Sweden we make something we call "Potato Gratin". That's the closest I can think of to your description. But we typically don't add cream cheese to it. Just whole milk and heavy  whipping cream. Here's a recipe: http://www.swedishfood.com/swedish-food-recipes-side-dishes/371-potato-gratin But I'd leave out the leek and the chives for an even more traditional recipe. Traditionally served with roast beef and (red wine) gravy.

[Arkania]

23 minutes ago, Tobbe said:

 

 In Sweden we make something we call "Potato Gratin". That's the closest I can think of to your description. But we typically don't add cream cheese to it. Just whole milk and heavy  whipping cream. Here's a recipe: http://www.swedishfood.com/swedish-food-recipes-side-dishes/371-potato-gratin But I'd leave out the leek and the chives for an even more traditional recipe. Traditionally served with roast beef and (red wine) gravy.

 

Yep, this is what we also do. But normally just with potatos, sometimes also with bacon.
And Luxembourg, France, Belgium as far as i know, too

(Also without cream cheese)

[J3NN]

2 hours ago, Arkania said:

Yep, this is what we also do. But normally just with potatos, sometimes also with bacon.
And Luxembourg, France, Belgium as far as i know, too

(Also without cream cheese)

I asked around and found out that it was Rakott Krumpli, a hungarian dish... and it didn't have cream cheese either! But it does have a lot of good cheese

 

Now I'm going to have to make this so I can get my craving taken care of.

 

And then I'll have to try the soup and potatos gratin too!

[Arkania]

Oh man, I had a not so great day.

Woke up with migraine, was really exhausted. Slept 6,5hrs and then I thought again about tracking and that I am getting fat and mimimi.

So I just ate:

5 brazil nuts (9am)
really big bowl of endive salad with pan fried 1 avocado (60g), 10g bacon, 1 aubergine (100g), cream-mustard dressing (12.30pm, 4pm, 11.30pm)

~300g pan fried potatos with rosmarine, 10g bacon and some onion (11.30pm)

2 thin slices of whole bread with some sausage and some nutella (6pm)

 

And you know what? I had NO strength when we went bouldering. I was like a big bag of sand.

I gaiend 4-5kg since not tracking/weighing anymore.

I am not sure if I can stand that any longer.

 

[Tobbe]

3 hours ago, J3NN said:

Now I'm going to have to make this so I can get my craving taken care of.

 

Yeah! Do it! And post a photo and taste verdict when you've made it  

[Tobbe]

12 minutes ago, Arkania said:

Oh man, I had a not so great day.

Woke up with migraine, was really exhausted

 

 

 

13 minutes ago, Arkania said:

I gaiend 4-5kg since not tracking/weighing anymore.

I am not sure if I can stand that any longer.

 

Ugh! I didn't need to hear that. That's exactly what I'm so, so very scared of  

 

Hope you feel better tomorrow!

[Arkania]

Oh, it's some muscles, some water because I now eat more carbohydrates and sure some fat (and the time of the month... u know).

So it may be ~1-1,5kg fat.

My measurements haven't changed a lot to the ones from 63kg.

And I am not always good at "eating when hungry", sometimes I just eat when... hm... bored?

I know my body has to adapt and then everything will be fine again.
And yeah, I did very little exercise the last weeks (and also very little steps everyday) so this is also a reason.

But I am not sure what to do now. Track again? Standard meals? More exercise (cardio!)?

 

This may not be the case when you try intuitive eating. I know from a lot of people where this works.

Maybe I am too impatient.

You shouldn't think so because I have problems with that

 

[Tobbe]

19 minutes ago, Arkania said:

But I am not sure what to do now. Track again? Standard meals? More exercise (cardio!)?

 

Well, I guess what you "should" do is to not eat when you aren't hungry. Eat minimally processed foods. Stop eating when you're no longer hungry (i.e. before feeling (too) full).

 

I know this is a lot easier said than done...

[Mad Hatter]

7 hours ago, Arkania said:

 But I am not sure what to do now. Track again? Standard meals? More exercise (cardio!)?

Honestly it sounds like you're right on track as it is!  Your measurements are consistent, you're fit and strong with enough energy to do the things you want to do and, not that it matters, but you do look great. The thing with IF is that it's not compatible with actively trying to lose weight and it might be that your body is going to end up at a slightly higher weight than you'd like. Being super lean with abs is not a resting state for the body so IF won't ever get you there. But if you're worried then maybe focus on things like doing something other than eating when you're bored, or if there are other situations where you're eating but it doesn't fulfil you for whatever reason.

 

Hope the migraine eases up quickly!

[Tobbe]

39 minutes ago, Mad Hatter said:

The thing with IF is

 

39 minutes ago, Mad Hatter said:

Being super lean with abs is not a resting state for the body so IF won't ever get you there.

 

You mean IE, intuitive eating, not IF, intermittent fasting   

[Mad Hatter]

Haha oops

 

[Ensi]

It's normal for weight to go up a bit once you remove the restrictions. If you google "intuitive eating weight gain", you can find a lot of information about how people experience weight gain after starting out. It's really scary, though! I remember when I started out and had carbs (bread!! sweet potatoes!! POTATOES!!!), but at that point I was so fed up with dieting that I couldn't go back  So, I kept talking kindly to myself, telling that if proper nutrition means weight gain, then so be it (I actually have hips now! I didn't have them when I was limiting carbs like crazy :DD). In time, I actually started to slim down, but I don't know how it affected my weight since I threw away the scale, too. But the thing is, I was relatively stress-free back then. In the autumn, I got stressed and slightly depressed, and gained more weight again. I thought that I would be able to lose weight during the summer, but nope  It's only now that I've managed to deal with stress and other issues (see: my challenge) that I'm starting to get the hang of it again. For me, intuitive eating works best when I don't try too hard, and stay curious. "How does this affect me? How does this food make me feel?" etc. You're allowed to experiment! That way, you can find what works for you. Because finding out a way to eat that fits you is really important, and that's something you can't find in any book! Building trust takes time, though. You don't have to trust IE right away and feel like you're doing it wrong if you don't. Keep practicing it for a month - at some point, I just realized that "hey, I still fit my clothes, and I feel more energetic than in years. This IE thing is OK!" BUT it took time to build that trust in myself and my body. And it still does! But I haven't "lost control". If anything, control has lost me  What I mean is that I have so much more space and mental energy now that I don't spend my days trying to find the next perfect diet, or feel anxious about what I have eaten, am eating, or will eat later on. I can eat whatever I want, and it's OK! But it doesn't mean that I'm eating pizza and candy all day. Your body wants foods that keep it healthy and nourished.

 

Well, there's a wall of text for you But I advice you to keep experimenting! Learn to listen to your hunger signals and satiety signals, for start. Have a meal where you eat so much that you feel uncomfortable. Eat so little that you don't feel quite satisfied. See how both these extremes affect you (and remember that you are allowed to eat whenever you want after that "too little food" experiment, no need to go hungry haha). When I started, it felt like going from autopilot (diets) to manual driving (listening and knowing myself), but it's one of the best things I've done. If it feels difficult, build your meals around recommended portion sizes, and see if it's too much or too little for you (neither would be wrong, and your body doesn't always need the exact same amount of food - what's enough on Monday, might be too little on Tuesday). Have fun, and keep going

[Tobbe]

@Ensi Thanks for writing that "wall of text"  I know you didn't write it to me, but you might as well just have, because it really hit home with me! You say to give it a month. That's really nothing! If the process can be that fast I'm super thrilled! All the positive things you mentions are things I want for myself too!

 

I just started reading the Intuitive Eating book yesterday, and it was really good. Really interesting. (Ended up staying awake, reading , a little too late. Oops )

 

I still am afraid I'll just eat all the pizza, all the candy and all the cookies and other things that are forbidden on my current diet. It's super scary! 

[Ensi]

18 minutes ago, Tobbe said:

@Ensi Thanks for writing that "wall of text"  I know you didn't write it to me, but you might as well just have, because it really hit home with me! You say to give it a month. That's really nothing! If the process can be that fast I'm super thrilled! All the positive things you mentions are things I want for myself too!

 

I just started reading the Intuitive Eating book yesterday, and it was really good. Really interesting. (Ended up staying awake, reading , a little too late. Oops )

 

I still am afraid I'll just eat all the pizza, all the candy and all the cookies and other things that are forbidden on my current diet. It's super scary! 

 

Glad to hear it helped!  You're right, a month is a really short time, and that's the point - trying out new things is really scary, so you can give yourself a short time frame for just trying it out (that's why so many companies give you a free trial for a month!). When I started IE, I was really worried and skeptical, so I told myself that I'll try it for two weeks, and if it doesn't suit me, I can go back to dieting. So, I was just climbing over those mental obstacles that told me that I can't just eat without excessive control. It's easier to allow yourself to try something that doesn't necessarily last forever  And, after a couple of weeks, I wanted to continue.

 

I did eat a lot more candy, pizza and other treats when I started, but in time they started to feel a bit "meh" and I noticed I was eating them out of habit. They were no longer forbidden, which also made them less interesting, you know. But I did have to eat meals that had a variety of foods and nutrients (protein, carbs, fats, all of them), because having enough nutrients made the cravings go away. Instead of focusing on your fear of eating unhealthy foods, focus on building your main meals so that they give you enough nutrients. It's a fact that cravings come from eating too little, so the best way to handle them is to eat more. And your main meals can be a lot bigger than you think! This has removed my need to snack constantly, too, and I don't think about food all the time. Actually, the best sign that a meal has been big and nutritious enough is that I don't think about food for the next couple of hours  But in order for this to work, I need to manage my stress levels and learn how to live a bit slower, you know.

 

... and now I remember that when I stopped obsessing over food, I needed to find other sources of pleasure in my life. I had to start listening to what I wanted in my life outside of "fitness". So, start finding life and interests outside fitness and losing weight! (Maybe you already have, but my life was pretty dull back then - I thought about food and losing weight constantly...)

[Mad Hatter]

@Tobbe Just don't be put off if everything doesn't magically get better after a month, the diet aspect of it is just one part of recovery. But then again maybe it will all stabilize once you're feeding yourself enough.  

[TimovieMan]

On 10/21/2018 at 5:24 PM, Arkania said:

Kids, this is how you get pregnant

Just eat leftovers from yesterday!

That explains my belly!

Oh, no, wait, I'm just a fat guy. Never mind. 

 

On 10/22/2018 at 6:14 PM, Arkania said:

 

Yep, this is what we also do. But normally just with potatos, sometimes also with bacon.
And Luxembourg, France, Belgium as far as i know, too

(Also without cream cheese)

Can confirm we do that in Belgium.

[Tobbe]

14 hours ago, Ensi said:

trying out new things is really scary, so you can give yourself a short time frame for just trying it out

14 hours ago, Ensi said:

I told myself that I'll try it for two weeks, and if it doesn't suit me, I can go back to dieting.

 

Thanks for this way of looking at it! Makes it much less scary. Of course I want to be able to eat intuitively for the rest of my life. But if I jump in to it too early, I can always back out, and then try again later, when I'm ready (both mind and body). That's a very relieving insight.  

 

14 hours ago, Ensi said:

the best way to handle them is to eat more. And your main meals can be a lot bigger than you think!

 

Yeah. I need to eat more overall. I think I'm generally eating good meals. They're just too small. And probably too low on carbs. But I agree - bigger meals!

 

14 hours ago, Ensi said:

I don't think about food for the next couple of hours

 

Just a couple? I'd like to be able to not think about food for five hours at least. 

 

14 hours ago, Ensi said:

... and now I remember that when I stopped obsessing over food, I needed to find other sources of pleasure in my life. I had to start listening to what I wanted in my life outside of "fitness". So, start finding life and interests outside fitness and losing weight! (Maybe you already have, but my life was pretty dull back then - I thought about food and losing weight constantly...)

 

This is something that I'm a little bit worried about. I'm not ready to give up food as a hobby/an interest. But obviously I don't want to be as obsessed with it as I am now. At least not in the way I am now.

 

14 hours ago, Ensi said:

I did eat a lot more candy, pizza and other treats when I started

 

I listened to a podcast this morning about Intuitive Eating and weight gain. One of the hosts, who has been doing IE for pretty long now, said that she had to buy new clothes about every six months because she kept gaining weight. And she was above 25 in BMI when she started with IE... Me, being skinny, not fat, will probably gain even more, even faster. And that scares the shit out of me. But I'm not 100% sure why. I mean, what would it matter if I was fat? Would anyone care? Would I feel so bad? I don't know... But I also don't want to "try" just to find out, because once you've gained weight it's much harder to get rid of it again!

[Tobbe]

11 hours ago, Mad Hatter said:

@Tobbe Just don't be put off if everything doesn't magically get better after a month, the diet aspect of it is just one part of recovery. But then again maybe it will all stabilize once you're feeding yourself enough.  

 

Yeah, the mindset is a much bigger problem for me. And one that feels much harder to fix/heal