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On 3/12/2019 at 11:09 AM, scalyfreak said:

This actually is a good example of my previous point. From this thread and Grumble's article, it looks to me as if the idea with Whole30 is to eliminate absolutely everything that can cause food allergies, intolerances, or negative reactions, for a month. This resets everything, so if your joint pain, or rash, or whatever it was, goes away, then you know it was something you ate. You identify the most likely culprit, reintroduce that food, and if the symptom comes back, you know the cause of it. And so on. Your body and your food are a science experiment.

 

Then the internet heard about it, and decided that a diet that eliminate all sugar, gluten, and dairy, is the best thing ever and will lead to instant weight loss, and this drowns out all the relevant information, including the most important articles that talk about the possible risks involved in doing an elimination diet on your own.

 

On 3/12/2019 at 12:13 PM, snowkc said:

I've done a few Whole 30s. It has a bit of a cult following (like Paleo and Keto) that I find a little off-putting. I also think that vilifying healthy food (like legumes) is unnecessary.  That said, I didn't think it was a terrible idea. Basically, eat fruits, vegetables, and healthy meat.  Cut some things out to see if you have a bad reaction.  See how you feel.  My husband found out that he has some bad reactions to dairy (not enough to stop entirely, because cheese is delicious), but it was a worthwhile experiment.  I've used it occasionally to get myself back into good habits of eating healthy (like remembering that it is okay to ask to substitute vegetables at restaurants, or to drink water or tea instead of booze). 

So, not bad, and actually pretty healthy, just not sustainable. 

 

On 3/12/2019 at 2:40 PM, Harriet said:


But then people I respect like Marion Nestle and Michael Pollan were saying whole grains and legumes are useful and good.*shrug* I think reducing processed foods is doing about 80% of the good work in my diet nowadays. Also, anyone who wants to take my dairy will have to step over my corpse (and then shriek in terror as it grabs
them by the ankles because necromancy)

 

Shouldn't wonder if it was more than 80 :) 

 

On 3/12/2019 at 3:14 PM, scalyfreak said:

By contrast, an intolerance means that your body can't handle the substance you're exposing it to, and in its futile efforts to do so anyway, your body develops various illness/damage symptoms. For example, flatulence is a common symptom for food intolerance - your body lacks the ability to digest something you ingested, and unsurprisingly that gives you indigestion. In severe cases, the symptoms mirror food poisoning.

 

Wow, I don't believe I showed up late to a Whole30/elimination diet conversation. 

 

All of the above is great stuff. Hubs and I have done a couple of Whole30s and have talked about doing another. We also ate strict (well, strict for me, less for him) Keto for several months. 

 

Both have a ton of hype and both come with pie-in-the-sky promises. This is not why hubs and I did either, although I did drop body fat on both. The keto experiment was because he has TBI symptoms that were bothering him. (They did improve. Short term memory and executive functions. In his case they didn't improve enough to be worth giving up chocolate chip cookies forever. Simple ROI calculation.) 

 

The Whole30s were easy-peasy ways for us to get our acts back together when we had allowed our diet to deteriorate too heavily into processed crap convenience foods land. Every time we do it our random niggling joint pains and random uncomfortable digestive troubles clear right on up. Hubs now knows that too much sugar causes him joint pain, and I know that too much grains makes my tummy work less well and feel a little blechy. Neither of us are interested in eating no sugar or no bread and pasta, but we do now have an easy target to adjust when we start feeling uncomfortable. 

 

I am 99.97% sure that the reason so many people swear by this and other elimination-type diets and write glowing testimonials that make it sound like Odin Allfather himself has escorted them into the banquet at Valhalla and tucked his own golden napkin into their cuirass is because ... (drumroll) ... most people enter these diets from a starting point of almost 100% processed crap convenience foods. 

 

Emphasis. Most People. Not Nerd Warriors! 

 

For the bulk of the firstworld population, who live on poptarts and frozen pizza, when they attempt any sort of diet that preaches the gospel of whole unprocessed food they are going to experience an uncomfortable adjustment period and then rapid and dramatic improvement. This improvement they can then attribute to the more arcane and branded nitnoid aspects of the diet into which they have been initiated (pride of surviving the hazing ritual of adjustment period = membership loyalty), instead of attributing it to the prime mover of "just eat mostly real food and keep the processed convenience foods down to a manageable percentage." 

 

Okay, now that I've got that off my chest ... 

 

 

 

Marathon! Soon! Wow! Godspeed! So proud of you! So happy for you! So convinced that you are nutty as a fruitcake, but hey, if it makes you happy then Run Grumble, Run!!! This is very extra exciting!!!!! Can you tell by my exclamation points how excited I am about this?!?!?!???

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3 hours ago, Gemma said:

Wow, I don't believe I showed up late to a Whole30/elimination diet conversation. 

 

All of the above is great stuff. Hubs and I have done a couple of Whole30s and have talked about doing another. We also ate strict (well, strict for me, less for him) Keto for several months. 

 

Both have a ton of hype and both come with pie-in-the-sky promises. This is not why hubs and I did either, although I did drop body fat on both. The keto experiment was because he has TBI symptoms that were bothering him. (They did improve. Short term memory and executive functions. In his case they didn't improve enough to be worth giving up chocolate chip cookies forever. Simple ROI calculation.) 

 

The Whole30s were easy-peasy ways for us to get our acts back together when we had allowed our diet to deteriorate too heavily into processed crap convenience foods land. Every time we do it our random niggling joint pains and random uncomfortable digestive troubles clear right on up. Hubs now knows that too much sugar causes him joint pain, and I know that too much grains makes my tummy work less well and feel a little blechy. Neither of us are interested in eating no sugar or no bread and pasta, but we do now have an easy target to adjust when we start feeling uncomfortable. 

 

I am 99.97% sure that the reason so many people swear by this and other elimination-type diets and write glowing testimonials that make it sound like Odin Allfather himself has escorted them into the banquet at Valhalla and tucked his own golden napkin into their cuirass is because ... (drumroll) ... most people enter these diets from a starting point of almost 100% processed crap convenience foods. 

 

Emphasis. Most People. Not Nerd Warriors! 

 

For the bulk of the firstworld population, who live on poptarts and frozen pizza, when they attempt any sort of diet that preaches the gospel of whole unprocessed food they are going to experience an uncomfortable adjustment period and then rapid and dramatic improvement. This improvement they can then attribute to the more arcane and branded nitnoid aspects of the diet into which they have been initiated (pride of surviving the hazing ritual of adjustment period = membership loyalty), instead of attributing it to the prime mover of "just eat mostly real food and keep the processed convenience foods down to a manageable percentage." 

 

Okay, now that I've got that off my chest ... 

^^^Accurate Gemma is accurate.  On all counts re: why so many people are aggressively fans of one or the other fad-ish diet.

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23 hours ago, raptron said:

THE MARATHON IS SO SOON!!!!!!!

 

CRUSH IT.

 

(Or smash it.)

 

Did I start a thing? I'm afraid i started a thing.

 

5 hours ago, Gemma said:

Marathon! Soon! Wow! Godspeed! So proud of you! So happy for you! So convinced that you are nutty as a fruitcake, but hey, if it makes you happy then Run Grumble, Run!!! This is very extra exciting!!!!! Can you tell by my exclamation points how excited I am about this?!?!?!???

I'm super crazy. I'm aware of that. I haven't decided if it makes me happy, but it definitely makes me determined. 

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10 hours ago, Gemma said:

Emphasis. Most People. Not Nerd Warriors! 

 

I'm including Mrs G in this because she's Nerd Warrior Adjacent. She also eats better than i do anyway.

 

6 hours ago, Mike Wazowski said:

^^^Accurate Gemma is accurate.  On all counts re: why so many people are aggressively fans of one or the other fad-ish diet.

Also why I'm talking it out here. So people smarter than me can help mitigate bad ideas and make better decisions.

 

@Gemma How strict were you and what was leveragable?

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8 hours ago, Mike Wazowski said:

^^^Accurate Gemma is accurate.  On all counts re: why so many people are aggressively fans of one or the other fad-ish diet.

Don't forget fresh-convert syndrome. In any group, the new members who recently converted are always the most enthusiastic about getting others to join, because they are still in the honeymoon phase.

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12 minutes ago, Tanktimus the Encourager said:

Don't forget fresh-convert syndrome. In any group, the new members who recently converted are always the most enthusiastic about getting others to join, because they are still in the honeymoon phase.


How interesting! It makes sense, too. 

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On 3/15/2019 at 1:47 PM, Grumble said:

 

I'm including Mrs G in this because she's Nerd Warrior Adjacent. She also eats better than i do anyway.

 

Also why I'm talking it out here. So people smarter than me can help mitigate bad ideas and make better decisions.

 

@Gemma How strict were you and what was leveragable?

 

Both times I was super-super-strict, but that was because I was all in for the elimination diet, trying to figure out/dial in exactly what foods made my tummy feel rumbly. Now that I have that information solidly in my pocket, if/when I commit to another month of real-foods-only, it would be exactly that. Whole foods, the kinds that come without an ingredients list - but I would probably not bother with ruling out legumes or rice or quinoa ... and I almost certainly would not pay extra for sugar-free "Whole30-approved" bacon. 

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Huh. Plans have a-changed a bit.

 

I will no longer be starting Whole30 beginning of April. I will now be started the endish of May. Schedules and things make doing it in April miserable, and I don't want to do this while and be miserable. Because emotional tie ins are a real thing and I think that if healthy eating is tied to shitty mood, well...

Image result for the adventure zone gif

 

7 days til the Marathon. 

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5 days til carb loading.

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While searching for Adventure Zone related gifs I saw this:

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It's amazing how easy it is to make it on the internet if you use the same keywords a lot.

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On 3/11/2019 at 9:22 AM, JessFit said:

Wow, a marathon! Good for you! Following along and cheering you on *\_0_/*

I realized as I was going through I did not respond to your post and I did not want to think I was ignoring you.

 

Thank you! It's exciting and nerve wracking and I want it to be over and can't wait to do it.

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On 3/12/2019 at 10:09 AM, scalyfreak said:

This actually is a good example of my previous point. From this thread and Grumble's article, it looks to me as if the idea with Whole30 is to eliminate absolutely everything that can cause food allergies, intolerances, or negative reactions, for a month. This resets everything, so if your joint pain, or rash, or whatever it was, goes away, then you know it was something you ate. You identify the most likely culprit, reintroduce that food, and if the symptom comes back, you know the cause of it. And so on. Your body and your food are a science experiment.

 

Then the internet heard about it, and decided that a diet that eliminate all sugar, gluten, and dairy, is the best thing ever and will lead to instant weight loss, and this drowns out all the relevant information, including the most important articles that talk about the possible risks involved in doing an elimination diet on your own.

YUP, most people I know haven't found anything though and just use it as a jumpstart or restart for healthy habits again. The special treats turn a bit more into daily indulgences and you need a reset on "here is what a healthy meal/diet looks like". But then again most people I know who do it are nerds, I'm sure the general population is different.

 

On 3/15/2019 at 6:25 AM, Gemma said:

The Whole30s were easy-peasy ways for us to get our acts back together when we had allowed our diet to deteriorate too heavily into processed crap convenience foods land. Every time we do it our random niggling joint pains and random uncomfortable digestive troubles clear right on up. Hubs now knows that too much sugar causes him joint pain, and I know that too much grains makes my tummy work less well and feel a little blechy. Neither of us are interested in eating no sugar or no bread and pasta, but we do now have an easy target to adjust when we start feeling uncomfortable. 

 

I am 99.97% sure that the reason so many people swear by this and other elimination-type diets and write glowing testimonials that make it sound like Odin Allfather himself has escorted them into the banquet at Valhalla and tucked his own golden napkin into their cuirass is because ... (drumroll) ... most people enter these diets from a starting point of almost 100% processed crap convenience foods. 

 

Emphasis. Most People. Not Nerd Warriors! 

 

For the bulk of the firstworld population, who live on poptarts and frozen pizza, when they attempt any sort of diet that preaches the gospel of whole unprocessed food they are going to experience an uncomfortable adjustment period and then rapid and dramatic improvement. This improvement they can then attribute to the more arcane and branded nitnoid aspects of the diet into which they have been initiated (pride of surviving the hazing ritual of adjustment period = membership loyalty), instead of attributing it to the prime mover of "just eat mostly real food and keep the processed convenience foods down to a manageable percentage." 

^^^ALL OF THIS (w/ clap emojis) Couldn't have said it better

But also, poptarts are delish and you will pry them from my cold dead hands

 

On 3/16/2019 at 3:34 PM, Gemma said:

 

Both times I was super-super-strict, but that was because I was all in for the elimination diet, trying to figure out/dial in exactly what foods made my tummy feel rumbly. Now that I have that information solidly in my pocket, if/when I commit to another month of real-foods-only, it would be exactly that. Whole foods, the kinds that come without an ingredients list - but I would probably not bother with ruling out legumes or rice or quinoa ... and I almost certainly would not pay extra for sugar-free "Whole30-approved" bacon. 

^^ same.  I've been tossing around the idea of whole 30 again but checking labels of coconut cream for surprise sugars is not going to be a part of it.

 

Thoroughly enjoyed that conversation.

 

You are a stronger human than I running a marathon.

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16 hours ago, miss_marissa said:

But also, poptarts are delish and you will pry them from my cold dead hands

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(except, sub in donuts for pop tarts for me)

 

16 hours ago, miss_marissa said:

^^ same.  I've been tossing around the idea of whole 30 again but checking labels of coconut cream for surprise sugars is not going to be a part of it.

...that just sounds madness inducing. Don't blame you for not wanting to read every dang label in the grocery store - was that exhausting the first go around?

 

Grumble, sounds like a smart call to delay W30 - definitely don't want to form an association between healthy eating and grumpiness for you or the misses.

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16 hours ago, miss_marissa said:

YUP, most people I know haven't found anything though and just use it as a jumpstart or restart for healthy habits again. The special treats turn a bit more into daily indulgences and you need a reset on "here is what a healthy meal/diet looks like". But then again most people I know who do it are nerds, I'm sure the general population is different.

Outside of spousal support, this is exactly what I'm looking to do.

16 hours ago, miss_marissa said:

^^^ALL OF THIS (w/ clap emojis) Couldn't have said it better

But also, poptarts are delish and you will pry them from my cold dead hands

I'm on the donut train, but I feel your pain.

 

16 hours ago, miss_marissa said:

^^ same.  I've been tossing around the idea of whole 30 again but checking labels of coconut cream for surprise sugars is not going to be a part of it.

Just. Ugh. My least favorite part.

 

16 hours ago, miss_marissa said:

 

You are a stronger human than I running a marathon.

We must endure things for the sake of goals.

 

2 hours ago, Gemma said:

 

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10 minutes ago, Mike Wazowski said:

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(except, sub in donuts for pop tarts for me)

Thats The Gospel Truth GIF - ThatsTheGospel Gospel Truth GIFs

 

10 minutes ago, Mike Wazowski said:

Grumble, sounds like a smart call to delay W30 - definitely don't want to form an association between healthy eating and grumpiness for you or the misses.

Exactly. Just because I know what to do, but the last thing I want is to continually have this mental link (unintentional or not. The lump of meat between our ears likes to make it's own correlations outside of what we tell it to do)

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6 minutes ago, raptron said:

SO CLOSE!!!

 

AND THEN YOU NEVER HAVE TO RUN AGAIN.

 

Jk -- I bet you will probably keep running or something. Because, whatever. 

Once a week. Probably. Maybe. We'll see. Whatever.

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17 hours ago, miss_marissa said:

I've been tossing around the idea of whole 30 again but checking labels of coconut cream for surprise sugars is not going to be a part of it.

 

There is surprise sugar in coconut cream? In addition to the other sugar? :confused:

 

:P

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1 minute ago, scalyfreak said:

 

There is surprise sugar in coconut cream? In addition to the other sugar? :confused:

 

:P

I'm sensing sarcasm.

Are you being sarcastic?

I think you're being sarcastic.

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4 hours ago, Mike Wazowski said:

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(except, sub in donuts for pop tarts for me)

 

...that just sounds madness inducing. Don't blame you for not wanting to read every dang label in the grocery store - was that exhausting the first go around?

 

Grumble, sounds like a smart call to delay W30 - definitely don't want to form an association between healthy eating and grumpiness for you or the misses.

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Yea the first grocery store trip was super stressful, I easily took twice as long to look at all the ingredients on everything I bought. I was amazed at how many hidden ingredients were in everything that came in a package. Trying to find a can of olives or a package of bacon without maltodextrin or some other hidden sugar was damn near impossible. But it was also super eye opening to realize just how much hidden sugars are in things that you think don't have them. (First whole 30, worth doing, but definitely not worth stressing over if you are repeating)

 

2 hours ago, scalyfreak said:

 

There is surprise sugar in coconut cream? In addition to the other sugar? :confused:

 

:P

:glee:

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32 minutes ago, miss_marissa said:

Trying to find a can of olives or a package of bacon without maltodextrin or some other hidden sugar was damn near impossible.


WHAT. What kind of monster would interfere with olives in this way?

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