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4 hours ago, Harriet said:

Thanks! Ha, yeah. I definitely sacrificed some sheepiness for some sharpness. I'm sure a better designer could keep both but this is one skill I'm quite behind on.

No no your design's great! I think all it would take to make it more sheepy would be to turn the muscly neck into thick, shaggy floof and keep all the shapes. But yeah, it's hard to both try and push the design and still keep track of the anatomy. You have to know which part of the anatomy really defines the animal. I thought that was really hard when trying to design hybrids, when I started adding in features from animal A to animal B they somehow kept turning into animal C instead of a mix between A and B.

 

4 hours ago, Harriet said:

Yeah, the sharp stuff seems fine. But there must be so many other things, too, and the class didn't mention any of them. I'm thinking tentacles and twisty shapes, drips and oozes, sinister colours... I don't know. 

For sure, the possibilities are endless! It's just one idea/exercise to start from basic shapes, it's not like there's actual rules for this. For example the kid in Up was designed as a triangle, and there's plenty of villains that are round/fat or square/jacked. Just something to experiment with.

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1 hour ago, raptron said:

I love good sheep evil sheep. They certainly both agree humanity was a mistake but not much we can do about it now. We're here, after all.

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Water: drank no alcohol yesterday

Bells: did some carries today


I went for a short walk, but my knee hurts. I continued with the lessons and did some character thumbnails. I started reading a collection of essays on the liberal takeover of radical feminism. First essay by Catharine McKinnon was useful in beginning to illuminate the history. It's occurring to me that what we call 'feminism' actually incorporates several movements, at least some of which are antithetical to each other. Could be confusing for, well, everyone.

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On 7/28/2020 at 11:34 PM, Harriet said:

Over the next four weeks I need to pack up and ship out. We’ve been here for two years, so I have to clear out some things.

Not fun. Commiserations.

 

On 7/28/2020 at 11:34 PM, Harriet said:

I also need to give back library books

Pro tip, do this before you call in the movers (if you are using them), or the books can get packed and sent across continents. Ask me how I know.

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I'm following to see kindness toward oneself and badassity merge into rejuvenative sleep and healing. Hope the time out of town is going well and the no internet turns into a blessing and not a curse.

 

Take care.

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On 7/31/2020 at 8:02 PM, Harriet said:

Water: drank no alcohol yesterday

Bells: did some carries today


I went for a short walk, but my knee hurts. I continued with the lessons and did some character thumbnails. I started reading a collection of essays on the liberal takeover of radical feminism. First essay by Catharine McKinnon was useful in beginning to illuminate the history. It's occurring to me that what we call 'feminism' actually incorporates several movements, at least some of which are antithetical to each other. Could be confusing for, well, everyone.

 

I think that will tend to happen when you have a movement advocating for half of the world's population. If you look at a small slice like equal pay for equal work, is a lot easier than if you are trying to tackle equal pay on top of rape, domestic violence, family planning and contraception, education, unpaid labor, sex work, etc. The movement has so many different arms at that point that I'm sure there are bound to be areas that disagree with each other. Particularly when you then also try to bring in things like regional, religious, and cultural differences. 

 

Hope you have a nice trip!

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On 7/31/2020 at 9:25 PM, Scaly Freak said:

Some of the things she said, are politically correct code for some pretty horrific things. Similar to how the phrase "all lives matter" sounds innocuous and harmless, but the beliefes behind it are pretty horrific. Unless she is willing to spell out, multiple times, that she is not a part of the horrific movement that believes trans women are not actually women and trans men are not actually men, she is going to continue to be attacked like this. Because she sounds like a transphobe, and there is nothing in her words or actions that disproves that, and until there is, she is going to be treated as one, and that means only openly transphobic individuals will be defending her.

 

(I'm continuing this in my thread so I don't jam up the guild chat)

 

Scaly, I’m already familiar with the three major positions in this debate as well as the rhetoric used by both sides, as I’ve been reading on the topic for the last year or two. (Did you know gender critical feminists also use the ‘all lives matter’ analogy?) Actually, a friend’s transfeminist posts and articles are what led me to investigate, and to eventually adopt my current project of learning the history of different feminisms, since I realised that it’s not one movement and there is very considerable disagreement and more than a little silencing.

 

For anyone who wants to make an informed contribution to the public discourse, or just wants to know what the flip is going on, here's a start:

  • Gender critical feminist philosopher Stock’s clear overview of gender critical and transfeminist positions & their political implications.
  • Hayton’s transmedicalist objection to self-ID laws. Hayton is a trans woman who objects to the redefinition of ‘trans’ to include people who self-ID rather than only those who medically/socially transition.
  • Transfeminist philosopher Jenkins’s clear and complete philosophical transfeminist position. Best I can tell, the redefinition of ‘woman’ from physiological sex to gender identity is the intellectual core of modern trans rights activism.

Here is Rowling’s essay. She is not transphobic, and it is not code. It’s a pretty clear reproduction of gender critical feminists’ objections to certain aspects of transfeminism/trans rights activism: the self-ID laws and the way they can be used to eliminate female-only spaces; the ‘gender affirmation’ approach to medically transitioning gender dysphoric children/youth (including the lack of research, and the fact that the current diagnostic criteria don't seem to have a way to reliably sort children who whose dysphoria will persist from those who will 'desist'); and the redefinition of 'women' from 'female people' to 'people with a female gender identity', and the way that this definition disappears female people as a social group/political class with specific material and social realities, and deprives them of the linguistic resources to describe the shared experiences stemming from their female bodies and female socialisation (including the redefinition of lesbian from same-sex to same-gender-identity attraction). 

 

I read a number of commentaries on Rowling’s essay and tweets, from people on both sides. This is a sample of misogynistic responses to Rowling’s first few tweets (in which she objected to women being called ‘menstruators’ and asserted the relevance of women’s material realities). It's not a one-off; gender critical feminists have been documenting the violent and misogynistic rhetoric that some trans activists and allies direct at feminists who publicly disagree with them, or even at people who accidentally make statements that challenge their views. Obviously it's not a majority of people, but it's certainly enough to frighten people off asking questions, dissenting, or even finding out more about the issues.

This is what upset me, along with the speculations on Rowling’s character and motivations. Make whatever argument you like about her position or her understanding of the issues, but she’s not a bad person and her motivations are not sinister. She’s pretty obviously motivated by care for vulnerable women and girls, including lesbians. I find the way people are joining in the public shaming—often without reading her essay or referring to her arguments at all—troubling. You don’t even have to agree with Rowling’s views to defend her. You just have to believe in the value of civil debate and object to the approach that certain people are taking, namely, ’no civility unless you refrain from debate’. Since self-ID and the current gender-identity-affirming medical model affect women and children, no-debate is not an option.

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On 8/2/2020 at 11:31 AM, Jean said:

I'm following to see kindness toward oneself and badassity merge into rejuvenative sleep and healing. Hope the time out of town is going well and the no internet turns into a blessing and not a curse.

 

Take care.

 

Thank you! The no internet was great!

 

On 8/2/2020 at 11:58 AM, Mad Hatter said:

Enjoy!


Cheers!
 

On 8/3/2020 at 11:23 AM, KB Girl said:

When you’re settled in and the pandemic calms down a bit maybe you’d be interested in joining our Europe nerds meet-up :) 

 

OMG Europe Nerds! 

 

On 8/3/2020 at 12:51 PM, miss_marissa said:

 

I think that will tend to happen when you have a movement advocating for half of the world's population. If you look at a small slice like equal pay for equal work, is a lot easier than if you are trying to tackle equal pay on top of rape, domestic violence, family planning and contraception, education, unpaid labor, sex work, etc. The movement has so many different arms at that point that I'm sure there are bound to be areas that disagree with each other. Particularly when you then also try to bring in things like regional, religious, and cultural differences. 

 

Hope you have a nice trip!

 

Thanks! Yeah, I think there are also deep divides based on whether people's worldview and politics tend to be more individualist or collectivist, material or conceptual; structural or interpersonal. 

 

On 8/4/2020 at 11:31 AM, Mike Wazowski said:

Safe travels, and enjoy the trip! Here to root you on when you're back and ogle all the cool art you make. :D

 

Oh, and best wishes on the whole "moving to a different continent" thing - it sounds like you've got loads to look forward to back in Germany!


Thank you! 

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The trip was good. We stayed for a couple of days in a vineyard, and a few days in a treehouse at Point Reyes. There was no internet, which was a blessing.

We visited the vineyard that does some of the best wines we've had during our stay in California. It was baking hot, and when we walked through the garden of lavender bushes, it seemed that all their scent had been vaporised and forced into the air at once.

At the treehouse, I spent several days reading and gazing at the natural surroundings. Deer and foxes visited every day. Not red foxes, but grey and yellow ones. I also saw a coyote, woodpeckers, blue-birds, hawks, a falcon, and many other birds. 


I read a book on the revival of neo-pagan religions and felt some things. I have recently been feeling that spirituality might be a way to heal the alienation I feel, but the only thing I'm inclined to worship is nature. It was pleasing to learn that others feel the same way. The other aspect of these neo-pagan religions is a kind of polytheism that, if I understand it correctly, posits many gods and goddesses as archetypes that are present within each of us and can help us connect to subconscious, non-rational aspects of ourselves. Turns out you're allowed to pray to Artemis, if it helps you. Or to a tri-fold goddess incorporating the maiden/mother/crone and all of nature. It's unfortunate I'm leaving the USA so soon, because it turns out the Bay Area is a hotbed of neo-pagans. There are DRUIDS in Oakland. Alas! 

I will confess that we did drink on most days during our trip, but my intention is to go back to water on weekdays. No wine yesterday.

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I would assume that there are neo pagans in Germany. Or spirituality can be a solitary activity. 

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2 hours ago, Harriet said:

This is what upset me, along with the speculations on Rowling’s character and motivations. Make whatever argument you like about her position or her understanding of the issues, but she’s not a bad person and her motivations are not sinister. She’s pretty obviously motivated by care for vulnerable women and girls, including lesbians. I find the way people are joining in the public shaming—often without reading her essay or referring to her arguments at all—troubling.

 

No one who read the tweets bothered to read anything else, and would probably not have understood it if they did. And taken out of context, the tweets looked like transphobic code, and were treated accordingly. As well-researched and phrased as your post is, on Twitter, it's irrelevant, because none of that was tweeted, and that means none of it matters.

 

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19 hours ago, Scaly Freak said:

 

No one who read the tweets bothered to read anything else, and would probably not have understood it if they did. And taken out of context, the tweets looked like transphobic code, and were treated accordingly. As well-researched and phrased as your post is, on Twitter, it's irrelevant, because none of that was tweeted, and that means none of it matters.

 

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19 minutes ago, miss_marissa said:

This is part of the reason why I am no longer active on twitter.

 

I use Twitter like a news feed. Trying to have any kind of meaningful conversation on there is doomed to failure, for above-mentioned reasons. And if JK Rowling truly is not a transphobic troll, and doesn't wish people to treat her as if she is, posting what she did on Twitter was a very uninformed and short-sighted thing to do. ;) 

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23 hours ago, Scaly Freak said:

 

No one who read the tweets bothered to read anything else, and would probably not have understood it if they did. And taken out of context, the tweets looked like transphobic code, and were treated accordingly. As well-researched and phrased as your post is, on Twitter, it's irrelevant, because none of that was tweeted, and that means none of it matters.

 

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3 hours ago, Scaly Freak said:

 

I use Twitter like a news feed. Trying to have any kind of meaningful conversation on there is doomed to failure, for above-mentioned reasons. And if JK Rowling truly is not a transphobic troll, and doesn't wish people to treat her as if she is, posting what she did on Twitter was a very uninformed and short-sighted thing to do. ;) 

 

I don’t understand why Rowling chose twitter to have this conversation. But I would argue that the public shaming is caused by people joining in the public shaming, not by the platform or the lack of clarity, although those undoubtedly contribute. Her essay was widely circulated on twitter, mind you. The pile-on is also not a one-off; there’s a widespread movement to silence discussion on these issues, which is unfortunately being supported by philosophers, who would never usually tolerate such an approach to disagreement. Many other speakers have complained of being mobbed, and it doesn't seem to matter whether their messages are sloppy and offensive or thoughtful, respectful and clear.

 

As an antidote, I recommend formulating explicit disagreements: “Rowling is wrong about (thing she actually said). It’s wrong because (argument/explanation/evidence). A better position is (clearly stated position)”.

 

Also, I recommend reading:

 

1. Mary Leng explains in an article why the response to Rowling was so heated (she fleshes out that ‘all lives matter’ analogy you mentioned) and argues that there is, or should be, considerable agreement between transfeminists and gender critical feminists. She explains why both women and trans women need recognition and specific legal protections, and why the discussion is heating up right now: https://medium.com/@mary.leng/harry-potter-and-the-reverse-voltaire-4c7f3a07241

 

2. This series of articles in the economist offers several articles from different perspectives, written for ordinary readers, not academics: https://www.economist.com/transgender. It includes perspectives from trans women Kristina Harrison and Debbie Hayton, who are transmedicalist rather than transfeminist (two incompatible approaches to trans rights). I think this is valuable because voices like theirs aren’t heard as often, and they often receive hostility from trans rights activists and gender critical people and conservatives, which must be unbelievably stressful. 

 

4 hours ago, miss_marissa said:

This is part of the reason why I am no longer active on twitter.


I have no intention of joining twitter, it seems dreadful. I have also utilised the unfollow function on facebook to deprive myself of the pleasure of being regularly reminded by a philosopher friend that those who disagree with her (including me) are horrible, very bad people. 

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18 minutes ago, Harriet said:

The pile-on is also not a one-off; there’s a widespread movement to silence discussion on these issues, which is unfortunately being supported by philosophers, who would never usually tolerate such an approach to disagreement. Many other speakers have complained of being mobbed, and it doesn't seem to matter whether their messages are sloppy and offensive or thoughtful, respectful and clear.

 

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18 minutes ago, Harriet said:

As an antidote, I recommend formulating explicit disagreements: “Rowling is wrong about (thing she actually said). It’s wrong because (argument/explanation/evidence). A better position is (clearly stated position)”.

In the spirit of doing this, one position she referenced in her essay, was from a lesbian activist. In general when talking about trans issues, people seem to hold a lot of weight to lesbians, as if their opinion holds more weight than straight women in this arena. It seems that many lesbian anti-trans activists do so because they believe that trans men are lesbians in denial, therefore marginalizing the lesbian movement by bolstering the trans movement. (which in my admittedly limited research is the only rationale I could find for this?). In my opinion this is a pretty weak argument and fails to delineate between sex/gender and sexual orientation (as there are both heterosexual and homosexual trans men and women). And based on that I do not buy the argument that lesbians hold a more respected opinion on trans issues and I'm not sure why this continues to be a talking point in this discussion. I also don't think lesbian rights and trans rights can only be achieved at the expense of the other.

 

Also, the specific lesbian activist she references in her essay has said some pretty gross and harmful things about trans people. (As have some of the other people referenced in her post, including repeated and intentional misgendering of trans folks). And by painting her in a positive light, one could draw the conclusion, as many people online have, that JK Rowling also supports those things. That certainly does not justify the hate/threats JK Rowling received (as it's pretty hypocritical), but I also wish JK Rowling wouldn't have taken a position of support for someone who has said such things. We should all just be nicer to each other.

 

I will check out the two articles you linked at some point, as I am curious to read them. 

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On 7/28/2020 at 9:34 PM, Harriet said:

Also, my plan to start lifting again failed, so obviously I have to lower the bar even further. I often feel so tired/unmotivated that the prospect of changing into my workout clothes is what stops me. (You know, it’s actually somewhat difficult to get those tight leggings over my... posterior chain.) This is obviously the most pathetic, indolent excuse invented by any lifter ever.

 

I am so glad I'm not alone. I've not worked out due to not feeling like putting on my sneakers. 

 

Very glad to hear you enjoyed your trip. 

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10 hours ago, Magdalena Ravenclaw said:

 

I am so glad I'm not alone. I've not worked out due to not feeling like putting on my sneakers. 

 

Barefoot lifting! Doooo it!

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20 hours ago, miss_marissa said:

In the spirit of doing this, one position she referenced in her essay, was from a lesbian activist. In general when talking about trans issues, people seem to hold a lot of weight to lesbians, as if their opinion holds more weight than straight women in this arena. It seems that many lesbian anti-trans activists do so because they believe that trans men are lesbians in denial, therefore marginalizing the lesbian movement by bolstering the trans movement. (which in my admittedly limited research is the only rationale I could find for this?). In my opinion this is a pretty weak argument and fails to delineate between sex/gender and sexual orientation (as there are both heterosexual and homosexual trans men and women). And based on that I do not buy the argument that lesbians hold a more respected opinion on trans issues and I'm not sure why this continues to be a talking point in this discussion. I also don't think lesbian rights and trans rights can only be achieved at the expense of the other.

 

Also, the specific lesbian activist she references in her essay has said some pretty gross and harmful things about trans people. (As have some of the other people referenced in her post, including repeated and intentional misgendering of trans folks). And by painting her in a positive light, one could draw the conclusion, as many people online have, that JK Rowling also supports those things. That certainly does not justify the hate/threats JK Rowling received (as it's pretty hypocritical), but I also wish JK Rowling wouldn't have taken a position of support for someone who has said such things. We should all just be nicer to each other.

 

I will check out the two articles you linked at some point, as I am curious to read them. 


Excellent. My thoughts on why lesbians seem to be central to the debate:

 

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I agree that no one's voice should be considered unimportant. I got the impression that lesbians were particularly invested in the debate not because of trans men but because of trans women. Some trans rights activists have redefined homosexuality as attraction to the opposite gender identity, in accordance with their belief that identity and not sex is what makes us men and women. Not everyone agrees with that, and some women are just attracted to female-bodied people, not people with a feminine gender identity. And they've come in for harassment and abuse. For example, lesbians collected these messages harassing and abusing them for not dating trans women, telling them they're transphobic: https://lesbian-rights-nz.org/shame-receipts/   Not suprisingly, lesbians object to being asked to reconsider whether they're interested in penis. I would like to think this is a small number of unhinged and probably teenaged people on the internet, but then I saw R McKinnon, a prominent trans rights activist and transfeminist philosopher (and an acquaintance of my transfeminist friend) joining in. There also seem to be some bloggers and influencers who are really pushing this view, that 'genital preferences' are transphobic.

 

I looked into Berns and Forstater, whom Rowling mentioned. Berns is one of the people objecting to this abuse of lesbians, which is good--one of her videos is a reply to an influencer who says 'genital preferences' (aka old fashioned lesbianism) are informed by transphobia. But Berns also refuses to acknowledge any difference between trans women and men, which is harmful because, like women, trans women are a distinct group with specific material and social realities, needs and interests that can't be addressed by grouping them together with men. I don't think Rowling agrees with Berns on this part, but she ought to have made it explicit. Forstater on the other hand has said she will use people's preferred pronouns, and reading something she wrote, it looks like she views trans women as a group distinct from men, but also not identical to women, and she objects to self-ID laws. I don't have a problem with that and I don't think Rowling was wrong to mention her.

 

The other aspect for lesbians is this. They're a small group, and I think mostly in the 70s they established some spaces just for them. But now many trans women are identifying as lesbians and sharing those spaces. This is fine if you feel that gender identity is the basis of womanhood and lesbianism. But many lesbians don't think so. They feel that they are a unique group based on sex and sexual orientation, and that trans women are relevantly different to them. So the spaces that were just for them are no longer just for them. Again, if you think trans women lesbians are just a subset of lesbians, this is fine. But some lesbians have been reporting their experiences of trans women acting out male socialisation. Keep in mind that trans rights activists have also been working hard to expand who gets to be considered 'trans'. My friend was posting about how you can be a trans woman even if you don't medically transition, don't dress or present or act feminine, and don't shave your beard--you're equally valid as any other women and anyone who disagrees is a bigot. So should we tell lesbians who disagree that they're bigoted and that their experiences are irrelevant, and that they must consider all trans women to be literally women and treat them as such in every regard? I don't think so. If they want single sex spaces, they should have them. And there can still be spaces that include trans women lesbians. Why the flip can't we have both? I feel the transfeminists are determined to make it unthinkable and unsayable that there could be any differences between females, and males who identify as female, or to act accordingly when we feel these differences are relevant. 

 

The other aspect relating to lesbians and trans men is that girls--children and adolescents under 18--now have access to medical transition in some countries/states. Rowling said 60-90% of children with gender dysphoria desist, and a quick google suggests that, although research is totally inadequate, this may be true. Certainly wikipedia thinks so. But allegedly, 100% of children placed on puberty blockers go on to take cross-sex hormones (puberty blockers can be given at 11, I think, but cross-sex hormones only at 16). I haven't gone into the medical literature on this. But if it's true, then the current diagnostic and counselling procedures are not merely correctly identifying trans children. They are, additionally, influencing whether children consider themselves trans or not. If you look at the APA's DMS-5, the criteria for gender dysphoria are pretty loose. I would have qualified. Many gender non-conforming children would. And this is relevant to lesbians because most of the children who desist turn out to be perfectly healthy and happy gays and lesbians or bisexuals. So I guess Rowling thinks that girls who would otherwise grow up to be lesbians are being encouraged to become trans men instead, and that this is not the best option for them given the seriousness of medical transition (it's expensive, invasive, and ties one to the medical establishment for life). I guess from her essay and posts that she thinks the diagnostic criteria and procedure should be more carefully designed to include those whose dysphoria is likely to persist, and to exclude those who would eventually desist. Oh, and that there should be a shitload more research because no one actually knows what happens long term when you don't go through puberty, and there also aren't enough high quality studies on the long term effects of cross sex hormones and surgeries. But trans rights activists object to more research because they fear that studies will be used by conservatives to justify preventing access to medical transition for adults, and many of them insist that trans children are just innately trans, and there can't be any external factor that influences whether or not a child transitions. Because it's a pretty core part of their position that one has an innate gender identity, not merely a socialised gender. 

 

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On 8/9/2020 at 10:08 AM, h3r0 said:

I would assume that there are neo pagans in Germany. Or spirituality can be a solitary activity. 

 

I hope so! I'm thinking about incorporating some kind of prayer or meditation into my daily routine. I just wish I knew how... 

 

11 hours ago, Magdalena Ravenclaw said:

I am so glad I'm not alone. I've not worked out due to not feeling like putting on my sneakers. 

 

39 minutes ago, Scaly Freak said:

Barefoot lifting! Doooo it!

 

Indeed. Lift without pants. Lift without shoes. Approach the iron in a state of undress. But lift. ❤️ 

 

Water: no alcohol yesterday
Bells: some carries yesterday
Read a tiny bit of William James. I'm not happy about how much time I've spent on the computer since I got back. 

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