Kishi Learns to Balance Work and Play

[Kishi]

Man, I disappear for like a month and y'all gotta go and change things. Huh. Neato. Reminds me of the old days.

 

When last I was here, I was working on a novel for National Novel Writing Month and had just gone through the Book of Five Rings, which essentially worked out to being re-skins of the same challenge about 5 times in a row. I didn't plan it that way, and I think it was a little lazy of me looking back, but I took some good from it, and given all the everything around here in the past year, I reckon some consistency was actually rather called-for.

 

And why did I disappear? Well, no particular reason. I just found myself out of things to say, and work got busy for a while and they rolled out some new processes and platforms for us which has taken some getting used to, and... yeah.

 

What's new with me? Well, since the weather turned cold, I've pretty much just been sitting around, and between the lack of activity and all the holiday food, I've officially crossed the 25% body fat line and have become obese. Which I didn't see coming, but TBF I should have. Non Exercise-Activity Thermogenesis is a thing, and I've not been doing it, and between that and Hashimoto's (read: a finicky to dead metabolism), it was really only a matter of time.

 

But that's hardly the only thing that happened.

 

• I rediscovered some movement drills from back in the old days of my training and my hips are good and loose and snappy for kicking now.
• I rediscovered that I like media! I like shows! I like watching them! I like bingeing them! There is content that is worth watching and reading!
• I refined my planning process for writing novels and the planning for this draft is well underway.
• I cooked for my family's Christmas Dinner! I did Green Bean Casserole and this time I had the guts to par boil green beans and fry my own onions, which was a major step for me.
• Despite my metabolism being dead, I've finally got my thyroid working again, so it's not all bad news on that front.

 

Basically, I've spent the last month just kind of coasting and relaxing, and doing so has kind of allowed me some perspective on what I was doing before and how I want to shake things up. So, without further ado, my goals:

 

1. Get my body fat percentage to sub-25%. Totally feasible over the course of the month. According to my measurements, I'm sitting at 25.8% with a 3% margin of error, give or take. That means reducing calories, but I can't do a real cut like everyone else does; my thyroid does not forgive that kind of thing. Instead, it's better to figure out a lower weight, figure out what maintenance looks like there, and then program my calories as such. Fortunately, I've got very good at calculating my numbers, so the goal is to stick to 2200-2300 calories for the duration of the challenge. I might dip a bit below that, but certainly I don't mean to go below 2100.
2. New Kettlebell Program yeaaaaaaaaah. Long time observers would be shocked if I wasn't back on my bullshit of trying something new.  Strongfirst released a program for sedentary people after one of their coaches at a similar experience to me. The article's worth reading, but the basic gist is to do some one arm swings every hour on the hour for 8 hours a day. This program is specifically designed to work alongside everything else as a plug-in for sedentary folk, and while I'm not swinging enough weight to necessarily burn that much fat, I can definitely tell that I get the "Tonic Effect" off the dosage (ie a sense of physical/mental refreshment and a heightened sense of focus). The other useful thing about this is that it gives me something to work my shadowboxing and other practices in with. But this is gonna be a daily goal, along with the others.
3. One Page Of Planning Per Day. Pretty much what it says on the tin. One page of planning per day. This is actually easier now, since I took the time to figure out my Great Swampy Middle, so I basically have a bunch of dots to connect as opposed to having to make up the dots as I go (which was a real problem last go 'round).

 

It goes without saying that I've got a bunch of extra training on tap. I gave up CaliMove's program because it's not designed to be friendly with martial arts, which will be a concern for me in the long run. I did Athlean X again for a while but it made my shoulder feel janky and I didn't like it, and it didn't stop me from getting obese (between training and nutrition protocols), so to hell with it. GMB's Elements program and Simple and Sinister are the two programs that are designed the most to give me the most what I want, so these will be what I do. It doesn't hurt any that they've both revamped pretty hard; S&S did so first with a revised edition and GMB's updated their Elements program for its release on their new training app. My shoulder feels better with their training, and the challenge can be ramped really easy and really well if you engage correctly with it.

 

So... yeah. Anyway, here in the interregnum between challenges, my goal is to get through the holiday food and get some proof of concept going.

 

And oh, hey, in the meantime, we're all together in one place now. That's pretty neat. Reckon I'll make the rounds and try to see to y'all. It's good to be back.

[sarakingdom]

Yay! Kishi and challenge goals at the same time!

[Kishi]

4 minutes ago, sarakingdom said:

Yay! Kishi and challenge goals at the same time!

 

I figured I should be efficient. I like being efficient.

[Elastigirl]

That looks like a very cool program! It's been a long time since I looked at StrongFirst. I need to go check it out again

[Tanktimus the Encourager]

SaraKingdom did a good job prodding you back into existence. I'm glad your thyroid found a job and you are doing something with KBs.

[Renate]

Welcome back! 

Eh, look at you being all cool with hourly movement. I should to that too. When I don't use my workout stuff for over 2 weeks, people start seeing them as cabinets (a box) and hangers  (the thread mill) 

 

[Kishi]

22 hours ago, Elastigirl said:

That looks like a very cool program! It's been a long time since I looked at StrongFirst. I need to go check it out again

 

I recommend it! They have programs for just about anything you could want to do, and I think it's really awesome.

 

15 hours ago, Tanktimus the Encourager said:

SaraKingdom did a good job prodding you back into existence. I'm glad your thyroid found a job and you are doing something with KBs.

 

Thanks, me too.

 

9 hours ago, Athenα said:

Welcome back! 

Eh, look at you being all cool with hourly movement. I should to that too. When I don't use my workout stuff for over 2 weeks, people start seeing them as cabinets (a box) and hangers  (the thread mill) 

 

 

Well, I mean. Extra weight maybe??

 

*

 

So the challenge hasn't started yet, but I figure I better get back into the habit of at least showing up and seeing what's up.

 

Also, I don't think I ever really clarified what I meant by play? Basically, I'd forgot somewhat that I liked a bunch of shows I'd stopped watching and a lot of games I'd stopped playing, and I kept feeling like I wanted to go back to them but I could never quite figure out how.

 

And what I've found is that by scheduling my work in the way that I am, I basically have time. And since I have time, I can use it.

 

So I've started watching shows again that I wanted to catch up. I finally caught up on My Hero Academia, and I see that Attack on Titan is in its final season and the promo posters make it look like some shit done gone changed since season 1.  I also got into The Dragon Prince on a friend's recs. I kept myself to a couple eps a night until break came, and then I binged all of season 3 in a day. It's super good; it's the spiritual successor to Avatar: TLAB and it carried over a lot of the show's strengths without a lot of the drag they'd get from filler eps for seasonal syndication.

 

I also keep remembering that I've got a whole library of games I picked up as part of a charity drive and also Hades, Supergiant Games' latest, which is friggin' dope. There's so much I want to get to and get through, you know? And doing the things I'm doing now the way I'm doing them makes it feel like I'm finally going to have some time to make that happen in addition to all the other things I want to accomplish.

 

So, this challenge is going to be about doing all those things, or resting if I want to as I want to. You know. As I do.

[Mistr]

Welcome back!

 

I'm glad you had some time for rest and reflection. Your goals make a lot of sense.

 

Of course you are trying a new program! We would suspect an imposter if you weren't.

 

I saw some posts from GMB about their updates. I have Elements, but I have not gone back to it in a long time. I already have plans for this challenge, but maybe later this spring. I am interested in hearing what you and others have to say about it.

[Treva]

You're back!!!  Yay!!

 

Thank you for the life updates.  They all sound very nice.  Mostly I'm interested in sneaking a slice of that greenbean casserole from x miles away, but shh.    The rest of it's neat too.

 

On 12/28/2020 at 11:43 PM, Kishi said:

New Kettlebell Program yeaaaaaaaaah. Long time observers would be shocked if I wasn't back on my bullshit of trying something new.

Kishi, we are literally always here for you to be back on your bullshit XD

 

I am super psyched that you were able to get some perspective on your goals.  That can be a baller motivator.  It also sounds like you've been able to find programs that work with your shoulder, awesome!

Still interested to see how your writing is going!

[Rurik Harrgath]

As a fellow would-be martial artist who enjoys swinging the kettlebells around, I too am interested in your bullshit and being back on it and whatever this new program entrails!  🤓

[Kishi]

10 hours ago, Mistr said:

Welcome back!

 

I'm glad you had some time for rest and reflection. Your goals make a lot of sense.

 

I think they do! The time away did me some good, I think.

 

11 hours ago, Mistr said:

Of course you are trying a new program! We would suspect an imposter if you weren't.

 

6 hours ago, Treva said:

Kishi, we are literally always here for you to be back on your bullshit XD

 

hahahahahahaha

 

11 hours ago, Mistr said:

I saw some posts from GMB about their updates. I have Elements, but I have not gone back to it in a long time. I already have plans for this challenge, but maybe later this spring. I am interested in hearing what you and others have to say about it.

 

So the short version is that they added a locomotion and they let trainees schedule for themselves now as opposed to laying out a schedule. Also, their philosophy of the 5 Ps (prepare, practice, play, push, and ponder) is way more forward now than it was before. Looking at this now in comparison with the other program I have, I'd say that their Mobility program is actually an easier on-ramp to their way of doing things than Elements is. (ironic, given that Elements is touted as the entry program). That being said, I do think I'm going to like this iteration of the Elements program. You run through it at your own pace - it's 43 total sessions, so best case you'll get through in about 6 weeks, but you don't have to do that and you can also vary your session length from 15 to 45 minutes. So you can fit it in as you have time.

 

Myself, I'm probably going to run through it once and then again with Focused Flexibility to see if I can't get some stretch gains, but that's gonna be a while.

 

7 hours ago, Treva said:

You're back!!!  Yay!!

 

 

6 hours ago, Treva said:

Thank you for the life updates.  They all sound very nice.  Mostly I'm interested in sneaking a slice of that greenbean casserole from x miles away, but shh.    The rest of it's neat too.

 

My family said it was a hit, for whatever it's worth.  For my next trick, gotta make that cream of mushroom soup. If I can make it Hashimoto's friendly, all the better.

 

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I am super psyched that you were able to get some perspective on your goals.  That can be a baller motivator.  It also sounds like you've been able to find programs that work with your shoulder, awesome!

 

Yeah, that's actually a huge win. I'm thankful to say that I haven't really regressed or anything, but still. No need to go aggravating things, especially if I can get things I want without having to pay that price.

 

7 hours ago, Treva said:

Still interested to see how your writing is going!

 

I mean, you looking for a sample or a summary?

 

6 hours ago, Rurik Harrgath said:

As a fellow would-be martial artist who enjoys swinging the kettlebells around, I too am interested in your bullshit and being back on it and whatever this new program entrails!  🤓

 

Hahaha! I'll do the best I can to make the most of it.

 

What kind of martial arts are you getting into? If you like, I might have some YouTube content for you to follow for tips and pointers and stuff.

 

*

 

Tee-minus some days and counting.

 

I've been taking my weights for the past few days. Woke up this morning 7 kgs down from where I was yesterday. Everyone else is so cute to me when they go, "oh, my weight's up 3 lbs, but it's okay, that's just a fluctuation," and I'm like, "Only 3 lbs? Try 15 and some change and tell me how you do." And that's not even the craziest swing - I've swung as far as 20 lbs or so, which is a damn weight class and will make any kind of tourney prep very, very finicky unless I just stick to open divisions and get mauled by the heavyweights.

 

Oh well. Those are problems for later.

 

Training and writing carried off with a bit of a hitch. Training was fine, but I didn't really prioritize my shadowboxing and other drillwork like I can/should, and I let myself be distracted tonight when working on my writing, so I'm wrapping up later as a result. The good news, though, is that I've been able to mine my writing for more conflict between characters and this feels better to me than it was before where I was planning out more info dumps and things of that nature. This might be a little lighter on that, which might work out to some poor explanations for the reader, but that can be added on as padding as long as the central structure - conflict between characters - remains sound.

 

In terms of nutrition, things are mostly good. I've been slacking as I've been working through the holiday food I couldn't freeze. I've compromised by staying to macros for most meals and then letting dinner and after fall as it will, without trying to eat myself to bursting. It's felt good, actually; I don't really know that it's doing my goals any favors in the short run, but it'll eliminate the distractions in the long run and that'll make goal compliance easier come January 3 when things officially start. The only potential downside I see is that I might be moving further into obesity, which would just make the nutritional goal harder, but, well. Whatever. I'm not too tied to the outcome; as long as my process is sound, the outcome will see to itself.

 

Counting down...

[Rurik Harrgath]

15 hours ago, Kishi said:

What kind of martial arts are you getting into? If you like, I might have some YouTube content for you to follow for tips and pointers and stuff.

 

I've been doing Muay Thai for 11 months now; first couple in the gym, then at home with my own banana bag through various levels of lockdown.  Initially did drills for my coach, but the last probably 7-8 months it's been pure YouTube videos which are mostly striking drills.  I try to do 30-60 mins every other day but I won't lie and say I've been that consistent throughout the year haha!  I'm very interested in learning some sword at some point but very much only at the exploratory stage of that right now.

 

15 hours ago, Kishi said:

I've been taking my weights for the past few days. Woke up this morning 7 kgs down from where I was yesterday. Everyone else is so cute to me when they go, "oh, my weight's up 3 lbs, but it's okay, that's just a fluctuation," and I'm like, "Only 3 lbs? Try 15 and some change and tell me how you do." And that's not even the craziest swing - I've swung as far as 20 lbs or so, which is a damn weight class and will make any kind of tourney prep very, very finicky unless I just stick to open divisions and get mauled by the heavyweights.

 

I would love to fluctuate 15lbs overnight 🤣 but it really is truly wild what the human body can do within such a short time frame.

[Treva]

14 hours ago, Kishi said:

I mean, you looking for a sample or a summary?

I will 1) read any writing that is available either sample or summary but also 2) totally stay tuned for the nonspoilers mechanics that you post about getting through the great swampy middle.  My expectation is that you'll want to publish, and posting excerpts on the internet may have consequences I am unaware of.

 

14 hours ago, Kishi said:

My family said it was a hit, for whatever it's worth.  For my next trick, gotta make that cream of mushroom soup. If I can make it Hashimoto's friendly, all the better.

Nice!!! Interested to see how that experiment goes.

[Kishi]

10 hours ago, Rurik Harrgath said:

I've been doing Muay Thai for 11 months now; first couple in the gym, then at home with my own banana bag through various levels of lockdown.  Initially did drills for my coach, but the last probably 7-8 months it's been pure YouTube videos which are mostly striking drills.  I try to do 30-60 mins every other day but I won't lie and say I've been that consistent throughout the year haha!  I'm very interested in learning some sword at some point but very much only at the exploratory stage of that right now.

 

Oh, cool! Well, if MT's your thing, you'll want to check out Lawrence Kenshin's striking videos. He does a lot of in-depth highlighting and analysis of top Thai fighters, and I get a lot out of engaging with his work. You might get more since he's catering more to your audience.

 

10 hours ago, Rurik Harrgath said:

I would love to fluctuate 15lbs overnight 🤣 but it really is truly wild what the human body can do within such a short time frame.

 

Thyroid hijinks, man. That's all it is. 😁

 

9 hours ago, Treva said:

I will 1) read any writing that is available either sample or summary but also 2) totally stay tuned for the nonspoilers mechanics that you post about getting through the great swampy middle.  My expectation is that you'll want to publish, and posting excerpts on the internet may have consequences I am unaware of.

 

Well, and the other problem is, I don't really have any prose on tap yet. 😅 I've been in planning stages for a while now and while I did generate some for NaNoWriMo, it's really messy. Messy enough that I probably won't use it, so I could probably post some excerpts from time to time, but it won't be anything good. (but then, maybe that's a bold prediction? I may not be all that I think I am).

 

*

 

Happy New Year's Eve, everybody!

 

I still got time I think, yeah...? Yeah. I do. Cool.

 

Today was a gray and rainy day, but a bit warmer than it's been lately. Feels oddly... hopeful. Like a chance for things to grow. Could just be me liking rainy weather, though.

 

Training was Simple and Sinister. I managed to get some shadowboxing in beforehand, and last night was notable in that I decided on the spur of the moment to run through all my drills before dinner. But Pavel is kind of... proscriptive about additional movement after Simple and Sinister; specifically, he proscribes spinal flexion, and, well, martial arts drills do tend to flex the spine a bit. I told myself that I would do drills after S&S and

 

 

Unfortunately, I lied so well that I convinced myself I'd do drills after, but it's the holiday and it's after the thing that it scares me to do things after and just nnnnnnnnnnngh. Enough. I am not gonna kill myself for this. It's not worth it.

 

I suppose I should do some writing of some kind and I'll at least plan out one scene or sequel depending on where I left off. And hey, I did do my daily swings like I said I would, and gotta say. I have lately been feeling ravenously hungry.  Which is unexpected. I'm only swinging 16 kg because I'm trying to rebuild my mechanics and my hamstring, and I've not been eating at a cut or really eating that much junk in the past few days because of the holidays. It's... weird. Makes me wonder what's going to happen when things start in earnest on Sunday.

[Kishi]

Happy New Year, everybody!

 

A day late but not a dollar short.

 

Took yesterday as a proper dry run of all my challenge goals, as I managed to time my eating just well enough to be done with holiday foods by the time the holiday was up. So I hit the ground running yesterday - calories were good, swings were good, planning was good. Planning was a bit of a cheat, actually, since I'd done a little on New Year's Eve and I basically just finished the page, but you know, planning is kind of hard. Even knowing what dots I'm trying to connect, it can still be kind of difficult. I suspect that's gonna happen from time to time, and I'm not inclined to see it as a Big Deal, but you know.

 

Took measurements today so I could have some baseline numbers to go with. And, it looks like my body fat percentage is up per my measurements. Which is to be expected - I've been eating at excess for a while and my training isn't as intense as in prior periods, so this was something I was honestly expecting to see, and while the daily swing protocol is being pushed as a means to manage body fat, I've got some serious reservations that I'm swinging heavy enough to have a meaningful impact outside of nutritional intervention.

 

The measurements will be run again at the end of weeks 1, 3, and 5, so that way hopefully I'm not just losing my marbles and "majoring in minutiae" as has been my tendency.

 

In any event, got to play some with GMB Elements last night! And wow, it's different. They're really emphasizing slow and controlled movement this time around, and the Frogger in particular is being drilled right now with a real emphasis on core work. Also, got to work with the Crab, which is their new mobilization. It's a real challenge! Even at the introductory stage I'm finding that the coordinative aspects of it are hard because I find that, leading with my feet, I tend to let myself get stretched out as opposed to staying compact. But, OTOH, my shoulder isn't averse to it, which is a pleasant surprise.

 

So that was that. Today's a rest day, so just swings and planning and eating. So far so good!

[Sloth the Enduring]

 

It sounds challenging.  

[Kishi]

1 hour ago, Sloth the Enduring said:

 

It sounds challenging.  

 

Yeah, but not enough to make me crabby.

[WhiteGhost]

On 12/29/2020 at 12:43 PM, Kishi said:

I've officially crossed the 25% body fat line

You and me both, buddy.  Lets see about changing that.

[Kishi]

11 hours ago, WhiteGhost said:

You and me both, buddy.  Lets see about changing that.

 

Hell yeah, let's get it!

 

*

 

So it feels weird to count today as Day 1, but day 1 it is and yet to be accounted for.

 

Planning happened. Swings happened. Stomach was a little weird last night on account of nothing I can think of; like, hunger to the point of nausea? Which doesn't happen much and hasn't happened much; I ate half my dinner, let it settle for a while and thought I'd go to bed until I opened the Instant Pot to spoon the rest into a container and the smell hit me like it was the best thing I'd ever made. So. Weird. Didn't last, thank goodness.

 

Wound up finding my way back to the game Hades, a roguelike that's probably Game of the Year material for 2020 and, unlike Cyberpunk 2077, didn't involve abusive labor practices to deliver a subpar product. (why, yes, I am salty about how nobody cares about how the sausage is made, why do you ask?).  I found myself working my shadow work in between bouts of getting killed and, actually, it turned out to be a really good way to get stuff done. So that was that and that was fun.

 

Anyway, Day 1 is under way with the swings. Nutrition is, so far, on point, and planning yet to be done. Also, need to hit up S&S. Cool.

[Kishi]

All right, let's get some goals up in here:

 

1: 1/1

 

2: 1/1

 

3: 1/1

 

Not gonna lie, I wasn't really feeling yesterday. I really wanted to just loaf and take it easy, because I knew I was going to come into work today and it'd be busy, and I wanted to rest.

 

I wound up getting kind of technical with my goals. I kept to my calories and my swing goal, and I did S&S, but I really fulfilled the letter of my writing goal (heh) rather than the spirit of it. I found a part in my scene-sequel sequence that didn't work in that it didn't accomplish what I wanted it to in a way that I wanted to do it. I spent a lot of time trying to refigure what that would look like, and I did, but in terms of actual generated content, I wound up rewriting just enough to  add a page back on. It really was a very minor amount of actual content, like maybe a scene's worth of planning, but it got me back my page that I'd lost, and I counted it.

 

Really because I just wanted an excuse to go play Hades some more. Which I don't regret doing but even so.

 

Yesterday also wound up being a Sci Fi day what with me and friends watching Dark, but TBH I'm pretty checked out at this point. It's a critical darling, and it's put-together well but a lot of its conflict rests on people refusing to talk to each other as opposed to wanting opposing things. So it's a twisty-turny time travel show with characters making intelligent decisions everywhere except in the places where they need to the most and I find that really jarring.

 

And maybe that's unfair of me? Lord knows I wasn't spectacularly rational after breaking up with The Girl, and I was definitely living out some junk cognitive patterns out of a fixed mindset. All the same, this just feels kind of cheap. A lot of these characters don't really grow or change and it's to a point that it's honestly kind of laughable, and like maybe that's the point? My librarian friend who wanted to watch this loves bleak depressing shit that talks about the determined depravity of the human condition, so it checks out that this checks his boxes, but at a certain point it takes itself seriously to a degree that I as a viewer can't take it seriously anymore.

 

My traveling nurse friend is wanting to get together again on Sunday afternoons for writing, and that sounds like a better use of my time for me, so that'll happen up until we fall off again, which we will.

 

It's later tonight than I'd like. Swings are done and calories accounted for, but need to do my writing, and I told myself I'd train. Best be about it, then.

[sarakingdom]

3 minutes ago, Kishi said:

And maybe that's unfair of me? Lord knows I wasn't spectacularly rational after breaking up with The Girl, and I was definitely living out some junk cognitive patterns out of a fixed mindset. All the same, this just feels kind of cheap. A lot of these characters don't really grow or change and it's to a point that it's honestly kind of laughable, and like maybe that's the point? My librarian friend who wanted to watch this loves bleak depressing shit that talks about the determined depravity of the human condition, so it checks out that this checks his boxes, but at a certain point it takes itself seriously to a degree that I as a viewer can't take it seriously anymore.

 

Yeah, a hell of a lot of fictional people have a really unhealthy relationship thing going on. Occasionally that's on purpose and they learn. (Buffy did this. Not the healthiest relationships, but part of their growth was messing up relationships realistically.) A lot of the time it's just the conventional melodrama about couples. IMO, relationship depictions tend to be the very worst for lack of growth and clichéd writing.

 

On the other hand, once in a while, they're surprisingly mature about it. And that's a pleasant surprise. (Says the person who watched The Husbands of River Song this weekend.)

[RisenPhoenix]

No matter what they do the forums can’t get rid of us, eh?

[Kishi]

1 hour ago, sarakingdom said:

 

Yeah, a hell of a lot of fictional people have a really unhealthy relationship thing going on. Occasionally that's on purpose and they learn. (Buffy did this. Not the healthiest relationships, but part of their growth was messing up relationships realistically.) A lot of the time it's just the conventional melodrama about couples. IMO, relationship depictions tend to be the very worst for lack of growth and clichéd writing.

 

On the other hand, once in a while, they're surprisingly mature about it. And that's a pleasant surprise. (Says the person who watched The Husbands of River Song this weekend.)

 

Hear hear.

 

40 minutes ago, RisenPhoenix said:

No matter what they do the forums can’t get rid of us, eh?

 

Admit it: they'd be lost without us.

[Tanktimus the Encourager]

1 hour ago, Kishi said:

And maybe that's unfair of me? Lord knows I wasn't spectacularly rational after breaking up with The Girl, and I was definitely living out some junk cognitive patterns out of a fixed mindset. All the same, this just feels kind of cheap. A lot of these characters don't really grow or change and it's to a point that it's honestly kind of laughable, and like maybe that's the point? My librarian friend who wanted to watch this loves bleak depressing shit that talks about the determined depravity of the human condition, so it checks out that this checks his boxes, but at a certain point it takes itself seriously to a degree that I as a viewer can't take it seriously anymore.

 

You are allowed to like and not like things. You don't have to justify not liking something, and you are allowed to express why you don't like a thing. 

 

1 hour ago, RisenPhoenix said:

No matter what they do the forums can’t get rid of us, eh?

22 minutes ago, Kishi said:

 

Admit it: they'd be lost without us.

[Kishi]

14 minutes ago, Tanktimus the Encourager said:

You are allowed to like and not like things. You don't have to justify not liking something, and you are allowed to express why you don't like a thing. 

 

Thanks for the reminder.

 

14 minutes ago, Tanktimus the Encourager said: