Harriet Posted April 29, 2021 Report Share Posted April 29, 2021 I have nothing to contribute to your intraamerican linguistic debate, and can only watch from the sidelines. I call it soft drink, though. 1 Quote Let cheese and oxen and mead crowd out our secret desires for power and domination - Harriet the Viking Just be bold, fluid and unapologetic, not small, hairy and indecisive - Harriet the Artist You can absorb me! - Harriet the Contextless Guru Link to comment
sarakingdom Posted April 29, 2021 Report Share Posted April 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Stronkey Kong said: Also, I don't know what sort of geographic or cartographic principles assert that East Texas, Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, Tennessee, and Mississippi are on the East Coast. Texas and Louisiana aren't really Southern. Texas is definitely Western, and Louisiana is sort of its own French cultural thing. Fought with the South, but I think you'd get real pushback from them on whether they're part of the South. Arkansas and Missouri, I agree, not East coast. But also quite late to statehood when it comes to defining where "the South" is, what its culture is, and where its power centers are. They came in a little too late to stop the South from being heavily defined by its coastal trading centers and colonies. (I think the South would get pretty annoyed if you started equating the East coast with Yankees. Half of it's theirs, and hugely important to them historically.) The rest, it's basically pre-statehood politics. The coastal states used to stretch further west. Kentucky began as a district of Virginia. Alabama and Mississippi were part of Georgia for quite some time, at least according to Georgia, until they got their wrists slapped over something and had to give them up. The southern coastal states used to be big westward strips that later got carved up. 1 hour ago, Stronkey Kong said: <sigh> There needs to be more monsters drinking soda gifs. It was a glorious find. We do at least deserve King Kong drinking Coke, though. (Mothra drinking Moxie?) Quote I felt like I could run forever, like I could smell the wind and feel the grass under my feet, and just run forever. Current Challenge: #24 - Mrs. Cosmopolite Challenge Past: #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11a & #11b, #12, #13, #14, #15, #16, #17, #18, #19, #20, #21, #22, #23 Link to comment
Tanktimus the Encourager Posted April 29, 2021 Report Share Posted April 29, 2021 6 hours ago, Stronkey Kong said: Also, I don't know what sort of geographic or cartographic principles assert that East Texas, Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana, Tennessee, and Mississippi are on the East Coast. 4 hours ago, sarakingdom said: Texas and Louisiana aren't really Southern. Texas is definitely Western, and Louisiana is sort of its own French cultural thing. Fought with the South, but I think you'd get real pushback from them on whether they're part of the South. Arkansas and Missouri, I agree, not East coast. But also quite late to statehood when it comes to defining where "the South" is, what its culture is, and where its power centers are. They came in a little too late to stop the South from being heavily defined by its coastal trading centers and colonies. (I think the South would get pretty annoyed if you started equating the East coast with Yankees. Half of it's theirs, and hugely important to them historically.) The rest, it's basically pre-statehood politics. The coastal states used to stretch further west. Kentucky began as a district of Virginia. Alabama and Mississippi were part of Georgia for quite some time, at least according to Georgia, until they got their wrists slapped over something and had to give them up. The southern coastal states used to be big westward strips that later got carved up. For Texas, it's it's own thing, but east of I-45 (the Interstate running between Houston and Dallas) you get much more "Deep South" influence. Quote Current Challenge "By the Most-Righteous-and-Blessed Beard of Sir Tanktimus the Encourager!" - Jarl Rurik Harrgath Link to comment
Mad Hatter Posted April 29, 2021 Report Share Posted April 29, 2021 This is how it works from the perspective of the rest of the world, which might simplify your argument. 😜 Texas (standalone) = guns and cowboys Louisiana (standalone) = jazz and mardi gras Florida (only relevant for the next part) = alligators and Florida man and Cubans The South = the stuff above Florida The misc stuff in the middle = the stuff above The South I use fizzy drink, which is obviously correct because The Queen. 1 Quote Link to comment
Stronkey Kong Posted April 29, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2021 9 hours ago, Harriet said: I have nothing to contribute to your intraamerican linguistic debate, and can only watch from the sidelines. I call it soft drink, though. Soft drink, in my experience, is a menu heading above various types of soda, tea, water, etc. Fun fact: The NF post editor spell checker recognizes soda and pop, but not sodapop -- I guess cuz no one uses that at all. Something tells me that's where it started, and the Great Lakes States and the "North" diverged on how to shorten it. 8 hours ago, sarakingdom said: Texas and Louisiana aren't really Southern. Texas is definitely Western, and Louisiana is sort of its own French cultural thing. Fought with the South, but I think you'd get real pushback from them on whether they're part of the South. Arkansas and Missouri, I agree, not East coast. But also quite late to statehood when it comes to defining where "the South" is, what its culture is, and where its power centers are. They came in a little too late to stop the South from being heavily defined by its coastal trading centers and colonies. (I think the South would get pretty annoyed if you started equating the East coast with Yankees. Half of it's theirs, and hugely important to them historically.) The rest, it's basically pre-statehood politics. The coastal states used to stretch further west. Kentucky began as a district of Virginia. Alabama and Mississippi were part of Georgia for quite some time, at least according to Georgia, until they got their wrists slapped over something and had to give them up. The southern coastal states used to be big westward strips that later got carved up. It was a glorious find. We do at least deserve King Kong drinking Coke, though. (Mothra drinking Moxie?) There are basically three "Souths" and by South, the bulk of the confederate states. Tidewater: Virginia, North Carolina, Maryland (or parts of it) and maybe Delaware. These were founded by Gentry from the English countryside who were trying to recreate those country, landed estates with servants and a Lord vibes. Indentured servitude was the norm until slavery replaced it. Think Jefferson and Washington etc. This one didn't expand Westward really. The states did, but the culture didn't. The Deep South: Georgia, South Carolina. Founded by wealthy, English-Caribbean sugar plantation owners and the slave trade. These fuckers were biggest of all on white privilege, exploitation, racism, etc. Appalachia: Settled in the mountains. Lots of Whiskey making, pig and goat-herding, frontiersmen. They pushed out West at the fastest rates because they were semi nomadic. When you say Louisiana... are we talking about the Northern part or New Orleans? I've never been to either but from what I've read I'd wager you a "Coke" you'd get two different answers. New Orleans was established by French-Canadians and thus is the New France culture (along with Quebec) Moxie... yep... had to Google that one. I really hope there's some enclave in backwoods Maine, or maybe an Island off the coast. A family is sitting down for a lobster dinner, and the Dad says "While you's about, can you get me a Moxie from the fridge-box." And one of the kids replies, "Whatchye ken?" 4 hours ago, Tanktimus the Encourager said: For Texas, it's it's own thing, but east of I-45 (the Interstate running between Houston and Dallas) you get much more "Deep South" influence. Texas is Northern, Southern, and Western all at once. El Norte ("the North"): The Mexican border, part of the old Spanish Empire Deep South: The South East and Gulf Coast. Greater Appalachia: Tex-Arkana, Northern Texas. The Far West: Maybe some parts of Northwest or West Texas fit here, though El Norte extends Northward into New Mexico and Colorado (think Santa Fe, NM and Pueblo, CO). 47 minutes ago, Mad Hatter said: This is how it works from the perspective of the rest of the world, which might simplify your argument. 😜 Texas (standalone) = guns and cowboys Louisiana (standalone) = jazz and mardi gras Florida (only relevant for the next part) = alligators and Florida man and Cubans The South = the stuff above Florida The misc stuff in the middle = the stuff above The South I use fizzy drink, which is obviously correct because The Queen. When I propose to Congress that we re-draw all of our State lines I'm gonna advise they leave you out of the decision making. Once redrawn, however, I think you should be in charge of naming them. 2 Quote ===================================================================================================== --Stronkey Kong-- Link to comment
Mad Hatter Posted April 29, 2021 Report Share Posted April 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, Stronkey Kong said: Once redrawn, however, I think you should be in charge of naming them. Deal! 😆 2 minutes ago, Stronkey Kong said: Soft drink, in my experience, is a menu heading above various types of soda, tea, water, etc. Na-ah tea is its own category! I would accept it under the heading of hot beverage, but be very surprised to see it under soft drinks. Soft drinks are drunk cold. 1 Quote Link to comment
sarakingdom Posted April 29, 2021 Report Share Posted April 29, 2021 58 minutes ago, Mad Hatter said: Na-ah tea is its own category! I would accept it under the heading of hot beverage, but be very surprised to see it under soft drinks. Soft drinks are drunk cold. In the south, the only tea you can get is sweetened and cold. On ice. It's an option in soft drink machines everywhere. 1 Quote I felt like I could run forever, like I could smell the wind and feel the grass under my feet, and just run forever. Current Challenge: #24 - Mrs. Cosmopolite Challenge Past: #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11a & #11b, #12, #13, #14, #15, #16, #17, #18, #19, #20, #21, #22, #23 Link to comment
Scaly Freak Posted April 29, 2021 Report Share Posted April 29, 2021 6 minutes ago, sarakingdom said: In the south, the only tea you can get is sweetened and cold. On ice. It's an option in soft drink machines everywhere. Ewwww. The only tea that should be sweet and cold is tea of the Long Island variety. 1 Quote The Great Reading Thread of 2023 “I've always believed that failure is non-existent. What is failure? You go to the end of the season, then you lose the Super Bowl. Is that failing? To most people, maybe. But when you're picking apart why you failed, and now you're learning from that, then is that really failing? I don't think so." - Kobe Bryant, 1978-2020. Rest in peace, great warrior. Personal Challenges, a.k.a.The Saga of Scalyfreak: Tutorial; Ch 1; Ch 2; Ch 3; Ch 4; Ch 5; Ch 6; Intermission; Intermission II; Ch 7; Ch 8; Ch 9; Ch 10; Ch 11; Ch 12 ; Ch 13; Ch 14; Ch 15; Ch 16; Ch 17; Intermission III; Ch 18; Ch 19; Ch 20; Ch 21; Ch 22; Ch 23; Ch 24; Ch 25; Intermission IV; Ch 26; Ch 27; Ch 28; Ch 29; Ch 30; Ch 31; Ch 32; Ch 33; Ch 34; Ch 35; Ch 36; Ch 37; Ch 38; Ch 39; Ch 40; Intermission V; Ch 41; Ch 42; Ch 43; Ch 44; Ch 45; Ch 46 Link to comment
sarakingdom Posted April 29, 2021 Report Share Posted April 29, 2021 Just now, Scaly Freak said: Ewwww. I'm kind of meh on both. The cold kind is basically a slightly tanniny delivery system for sugar and citric acid, which is most soft drinks. The hot kind is usually an inferior alternative to coffee that's good when you feel delicate. 1 Quote I felt like I could run forever, like I could smell the wind and feel the grass under my feet, and just run forever. Current Challenge: #24 - Mrs. Cosmopolite Challenge Past: #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11a & #11b, #12, #13, #14, #15, #16, #17, #18, #19, #20, #21, #22, #23 Link to comment
Tanktimus the Encourager Posted April 29, 2021 Report Share Posted April 29, 2021 2 hours ago, Mad Hatter said: Na-ah tea is its own category! I would accept it under the heading of hot beverage, but be very surprised to see it under soft drinks. Soft drinks are drunk cold. Live through a Texas Summer and you'll be changin' yer tune about cold tea. Quote Current Challenge "By the Most-Righteous-and-Blessed Beard of Sir Tanktimus the Encourager!" - Jarl Rurik Harrgath Link to comment
sarakingdom Posted April 29, 2021 Report Share Posted April 29, 2021 22 minutes ago, Tanktimus the Encourager said: Live through a Texas Summer and you'll be changin' yer tune about cold tea. If you're white, yes. A lot of India and North Africa drinks hot tea to cool down, on the premise that cold drinks cause the body's core temperature to heat up to compensate and warm itself, while hot drinks cause the body's core temperature to cool in order to compensate. 3 Quote I felt like I could run forever, like I could smell the wind and feel the grass under my feet, and just run forever. Current Challenge: #24 - Mrs. Cosmopolite Challenge Past: #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11a & #11b, #12, #13, #14, #15, #16, #17, #18, #19, #20, #21, #22, #23 Link to comment
Tanktimus the Encourager Posted April 29, 2021 Report Share Posted April 29, 2021 17 minutes ago, sarakingdom said: If you're white, yes. A lot of India and North Africa drinks hot tea to cool down, on the premise that cold drinks cause the body's core temperature to heat up to compensate and warm itself, while hot drinks cause the body's core temperature to cool in order to compensate. No, I just don't see that one. 1 Quote Current Challenge "By the Most-Righteous-and-Blessed Beard of Sir Tanktimus the Encourager!" - Jarl Rurik Harrgath Link to comment
sarakingdom Posted April 29, 2021 Report Share Posted April 29, 2021 47 minutes ago, Tanktimus the Encourager said: No, I just don't see that one. Really? Cuz it's largely the same as "Take a shower before bed to sleep better; the body likes to be cool to sleep, and a warm shower causes it to drop its temperature to return to equilibrium, meaning you'll get some zzz's." I mean, I'm not gonna argue against refreshing cold drinks while literally actually drinking one, but there is no way the body is going to tolerate a pint of 32-degree liquid in its core where the vital organs are without turning on the heat, or a pint of 180 degree liquid in the same vulnerable place without trying to shed that heat fast. 1 Quote I felt like I could run forever, like I could smell the wind and feel the grass under my feet, and just run forever. Current Challenge: #24 - Mrs. Cosmopolite Challenge Past: #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11a & #11b, #12, #13, #14, #15, #16, #17, #18, #19, #20, #21, #22, #23 Link to comment
Tanktimus the Encourager Posted April 29, 2021 Report Share Posted April 29, 2021 46 minutes ago, sarakingdom said: Really? Cuz it's largely the same as "Take a shower before bed to sleep better; the body likes to be cool to sleep, and a warm shower causes it to drop its temperature to return to equilibrium, meaning you'll get some zzz's." I mean, I'm not gonna argue against refreshing cold drinks while literally actually drinking one, but there is no way the body is going to tolerate a pint of 32-degree liquid in its core where the vital organs are without turning on the heat, or a pint of 180 degree liquid in the same vulnerable place without trying to shed that heat fast. I do get what you are saying, it's just so counterintuitive to me. I feel warm when I drink hot beverages, so when I already feel warm I want to drink something cool to make me feel cool. Also, I was going for lulz 1 Quote Current Challenge "By the Most-Righteous-and-Blessed Beard of Sir Tanktimus the Encourager!" - Jarl Rurik Harrgath Link to comment
Mad Hatter Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 8 hours ago, Tanktimus the Encourager said: Live through a Texas Summer and you'll be changin' yer tune about cold tea. Oh no I'd drink my hot tea in a nice air conditioned house and never leave it. 😅 3 Quote Link to comment
Stronkey Kong Posted April 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 Cold brew tea is a staple in my refrigerator. Note: It is not iced, nor is it unsweetened... it is just plain cold brewed tea. It was never hot and need not be iced, nor did I add sugar then remove the sugar to make it UN-sweetened. This is not a regional thing, just the correct way to say how I make my tea. If I add sugar, I'm also adding lemon, or I'm trying to turn it into kombucha. RE: Hot drinks cool you down... I usually file this under the "This makes so little sense, the fact that you even bothered to say it means it must be true" fallacy. I mean okay... hot triggers cooling mechanisms... what have we got: Sweating Increase heart rate to push blood to extremities Slow metabolic rate/muscle twitch rates If indeed hot beverages can tip you to that point, do you really want to cool down that way? ... right before bed? I'd propose that more often, and especially the case of the hot shower, that being in a hot shower relative to room temperature just makes you "feel" cooler. Yeah, no. I need to see a peer reviewed paper that at least demonstrates a mechanism for "Hot beverages trigger cooling mechanisms in Homo sapiens resulting in net reduction in core body temperature." before I buy into this. I do think warmer beverages are better for digestion. I.e. not cold shocking your stomach and small intestines and the muscles and the delicate epitheleal tissues that line them. I rarely drink iced beverages anymore... SMH... but when I do it's a soda... soda --> GERD.... 8 hours ago, Tanktimus the Encourager said: Thanks for the gifs! 1 Quote ===================================================================================================== --Stronkey Kong-- Link to comment
Stronkey Kong Posted April 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 Also... SPROUTS!!! 2-4 weeks my ass... 6 days. I have no clue what they are tho. "No need to put tags in there." He says. "If I can't remember, I'll figure it out." He says.... <sigh> 3 1 Quote ===================================================================================================== --Stronkey Kong-- Link to comment
sarakingdom Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 24 minutes ago, Stronkey Kong said: Yeah, no. I need to see a peer reviewed paper that at least demonstrates a mechanism for "Hot beverages trigger cooling mechanisms in Homo sapiens resulting in net reduction in core body temperature." before I buy into this. We're talking cultural assumptions, not science, man. Like "don't swim for an hour after eating", "brandy will warm you up if you've spent too much time in the cold", "salads are eaten at the beginning of the meal", and "barbecuing is manly". Truth is something else entirely. Large parts of North Africa, the Middle East, and India practice that belief. Immigrants from those places would not give a damn about cold tea in a Texas summer. PS: A paper from U of Ottawa. The gist: it only works in arid regions. Such as, perhaps not coincidentally, large parts of North Africa, the MIddle East, and India. 3 Quote I felt like I could run forever, like I could smell the wind and feel the grass under my feet, and just run forever. Current Challenge: #24 - Mrs. Cosmopolite Challenge Past: #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11a & #11b, #12, #13, #14, #15, #16, #17, #18, #19, #20, #21, #22, #23 Link to comment
sarakingdom Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, Stronkey Kong said: I have no clue what they are tho. "No need to put tags in there." He says. "If I can't remember, I'll figure it out." He says.... <sigh> What sorts of things did you plant this year? We could do slow plant roulette. Quote I felt like I could run forever, like I could smell the wind and feel the grass under my feet, and just run forever. Current Challenge: #24 - Mrs. Cosmopolite Challenge Past: #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11a & #11b, #12, #13, #14, #15, #16, #17, #18, #19, #20, #21, #22, #23 Link to comment
Stronkey Kong Posted April 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, sarakingdom said: What sorts of things did you plant this year? We could do slow plant roulette. Someone's not reading my posts thoroughly... Basil, oregano, chives, parsley, cilantro, mint, peppermint, lemon mint, lemon balm, and lavender. I doubled up on basil and parsley for a total of 12 plantings. I could probably deduce what's what if I look at the order of how the seed packets are stacked i their storage spot, but roulette sounds fun. But cheating at roulette is more lucrative... 3 1 Quote ===================================================================================================== --Stronkey Kong-- Link to comment
sarakingdom Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 7 hours ago, Stronkey Kong said: Someone's not reading my posts thoroughly... Someone's got ADHD and an attention span for recreational internetting that does not stretch to anything you said more than six to twelve hours ago. 7 hours ago, Stronkey Kong said: Basil, oregano, chives, parsley, cilantro, mint, peppermint, lemon mint, lemon balm, and lavender. I doubled up on basil and parsley for a total of 12 plantings. It's probably not the lavender. That shit is slow and hard to germinate. Chives would be like miniscule green needles, not your cute little round baby leaves. Cilantro germinates well, but it's not likely to be your first seedlings up. Your basil and your mint family would likely be the fastest. I'm guessing basil for the top picture, and some sort of mint or lemon balm on the bottom one, unless by "doubled up" you mean two pots rather than double the seedlings per pot, in which case, I think you have a healthy bouncing baby basil crop. 1 Quote I felt like I could run forever, like I could smell the wind and feel the grass under my feet, and just run forever. Current Challenge: #24 - Mrs. Cosmopolite Challenge Past: #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11a & #11b, #12, #13, #14, #15, #16, #17, #18, #19, #20, #21, #22, #23 Link to comment
Stronkey Kong Posted April 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 3 hours ago, sarakingdom said: Someone's got ADHD and an attention span for recreational internetting that does not stretch to anything you said more than six to twelve hours ago. It's probably not the lavender. That shit is slow and hard to germinate. Chives would be like miniscule green needles, not your cute little round baby leaves. Cilantro germinates well, but it's not likely to be your first seedlings up. Your basil and your mint family would likely be the fastest. I'm guessing basil for the top picture, and some sort of mint or lemon balm on the bottom one, unless by "doubled up" you mean two pots rather than double the seedlings per pot, in which case, I think you have a healthy bouncing baby basil crop. Yes on chives, I've got little green needles. Top left... (squint, zoom in, or wait till it gets bigger. I'm not taking another photo today) I found the cilantro on the other end of the same tray. It has the biggest seeds and one or two were barely covered. They are sprouting already though. Seeds are cracked and the seed root is coming out. The one coming up between them, my best guess, is oregano... looks like the basil, but ever so tiny. There's also a lot in there and I remember pinching a lot of those tiny, tiny black seeds and sprinkling them onto that soil. On the next tray are the bigger seedlings that were first up, and another batch of the same on the last tray... that's probably the basil (middle right). If parsley was up, I'd have sprouts in both the same trays as the basil. The second basil is standing alone, so I've probably got lemon balm (back right). The first two trays were all non-mint herbs. Then I think the third tray is all the mint. And two of those are up (front and middle left). Then lavender should be in the last tray (back right) with the second, solitary sprouts of basil (front right) and the parsley. Quote ===================================================================================================== --Stronkey Kong-- Link to comment
Stronkey Kong Posted April 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 WTF? Second photo, it wouldn't let me post it in the previous post. (or this one either, now it's gigantic, ugh!) Addit: Now there both gigantic, but that's okay because we can see the chives. Quote ===================================================================================================== --Stronkey Kong-- Link to comment
sarakingdom Posted April 30, 2021 Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Stronkey Kong said: Yes on chives, I've got little green needles. Top left... (squint, zoom in, or wait till it gets bigger. I'm not taking another photo today) Yep, I see your little green needles! 1 hour ago, Stronkey Kong said: The one coming up between them, my best guess, is oregano... looks like the basil, but ever so tiny. There's also a lot in there and I remember pinching a lot of those tiny, tiny black seeds and sprinkling them onto that soil. I did wonder about oregano, since it's also in the mint family and should be a quick one, but mine has never been all that quick. Yours must be warmer and happier than mine. If you get lavender, you'll have to tell me your tricks. I have some I bought before I learned it was hard to germinate. (And would have bought anyway, to be fair.) 1 Quote I felt like I could run forever, like I could smell the wind and feel the grass under my feet, and just run forever. Current Challenge: #24 - Mrs. Cosmopolite Challenge Past: #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11a & #11b, #12, #13, #14, #15, #16, #17, #18, #19, #20, #21, #22, #23 Link to comment
Stronkey Kong Posted April 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2021 And just like that... ... second shelf of plants appeared. Moar basil, oregano... 🎶 parsley, sage, rosemary, and thyme 🎶 RE Basil: I found some old seed packets of sweet basil and lime basil. The other herbs this time were also mostly from the old packets, and I decided to try some lettuce. I planted all those really heavy because I'm sure the germination rates have dropped substantially. If lettuce at least starts and I see a plant make it to harvest, I could start doing salad greens and such, but I might need bigger planting bags, And, even tho I found some tags, I still just said fuck-it. So join me next week for more plant roulette... tho it turned out to be more of a detective game but whatever. 5 Quote ===================================================================================================== --Stronkey Kong-- Link to comment
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