Ranger Hal Posted June 15 Report Share Posted June 15 I’m Ranger Hal. I hike, snowshoe, scramble, climb (in theory, although not recently), and do search and rescue. My current goal is to workout enough to be able to keep up with the other people who want to do those things. There have been a number of trips over the last few years where I have either been turned away because the leader didn’t think my conditioning level was where it needed to be or I decided not to even ask because I didn’t think I could keep up. Last challenge was good. I walked/hiked/scrambled almost 138 miles. I want to keep that up and continue training hikes mostly in Zone 3. It makes me feel slow, but that's okay. Eventually, I should get faster, right? Group trips and SAR are going to be Zone Whatever because that's how they go. Also, I need to start thinking about a new pack. My trusty REI Crestrail (no longer in production) is getting worn in a few spots (in spite of minor repairs I've made in the past). I have this grand idea of sewing my own pack. Store bought packs often don't have the features I want, have features I don't like, or simply aren't built to carry the loads I might have to carry (I mean, most ordinary backpackers aren't going to strap an extra 15 lb of rescue gear to their pack in addition to their personal gear) without being a giant expedition to Denali size pack. I think it would be cool to make a pack that has exactly the features I want. I even have a pattern in mind to start from (but which I will likely want to modify a fair amount). But before I order the pattern, I have decided I need to finish two previous sewing projects. One is very minor. Just sew the button back onto a pair of office pants. The other is a bit more involved (but way less than sewing an entire pack). Pants are annoying. I hate pants shopping. They don't fit right. Especially hiking pants. But I did find a pair of men's pants that I like reasonably well. The only problem is that the waist is a couple of inches too big. So I bought a pair, took off the waist band and cut it shorter, and put the waist band back on. It was reasonably successful and they're currently my favorite pair of hiking pants. So I bought a second pair, but I haven't modified them yet. So that the second project, to take a couple of inches off the waist band of the hiking pants. So that's my challenge. Hike lots (preferably in Zone 3), fix two pairs of pants, and buy the pack pattern. I will try to continue sharing pictures of the flowers and stuff I find on trips. Y'all seemed to enjoy them last challenge and it helped me identify them because I want to learn the names of more plants and stuff. 5 3 Quote Challenges: #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12, #13, #14, #15, #16, #17, #18, #19, #20, #21, #22, #23, #24, #25, #26, #27, #28, Current Walk to Mordor: 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 Link to comment
Sovalis Posted June 15 Report Share Posted June 15 Great goals! Sewing is wizardry to me; I can’t get my head around it, so good for you! Here to cheer! 1 Quote Past Challenges: #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9 Current Challenge: #10 Link to comment
Ranger Hal Posted June 15 Author Report Share Posted June 15 20 minutes ago, Sovalis said: Great goals! Sewing is wizardry to me; I can’t get my head around it, so good for you! I'm fortunate that my mom was pretty good at sewing and taught me when I was a kid. I'm not at her skill level and I don't do it much anymore, but it's a handy skill to have in my back pocket. 28 minutes ago, Sovalis said: Here to cheer! Welcome! 1 1 Quote Challenges: #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12, #13, #14, #15, #16, #17, #18, #19, #20, #21, #22, #23, #24, #25, #26, #27, #28, Current Walk to Mordor: 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 Link to comment
Qnobi Posted June 15 Report Share Posted June 15 Back on board! Zone 3, I admit, is becoming more common for me, too. I almost feel like I need the mitochondria I’ve got to get stronger before I worry about making new ones to train. 1 Quote Link to comment
Harriet Posted June 15 Report Share Posted June 15 Is zone three for better all purpose stamina? Do you use standard percentages of 220 minus age to calculate your zones? Quote Let cheese and oxen and mead crowd out our secret desires for power and domination - Harriet the Viking Just be bold, fluid and unapologetic, not small, hairy and indecisive - Harriet the Artist You can absorb me! - Harriet the Contextless Guru Link to comment
Ranger Hal Posted June 15 Author Report Share Posted June 15 49 minutes ago, Qnobi said: Back on board! Welcome! 41 minutes ago, Harriet said: Is zone three for better all purpose stamina? Well, I don't understand it all that well (I haven't made an effort to get very deep into the science), but my impression is that training mostly below the aerobic threshold is good for endurance type sports and the hiking and mountaineering that I want to do definitely falls into that category. 48 minutes ago, Harriet said: Do you use standard percentages of 220 minus age to calculate your zones? That seems to be what my watch uses to calculate zones. I'm currently using 180 minus age to calculate aerobic threshold. It's a couple of bpm lower than what my watch says the top of Zone 3 is, so I try to stay out of the very top end of Zone 3. This all seems to line up reasonably well with some of the breathing guidelines related to hiking and aerobic threshold, so I'm not at all tempted to try to get a more accurate number (involving treadmills and/or labs) at this point. 4 Quote Challenges: #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12, #13, #14, #15, #16, #17, #18, #19, #20, #21, #22, #23, #24, #25, #26, #27, #28, Current Walk to Mordor: 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 Link to comment
Ranger Hal Posted June 19 Author Report Share Posted June 19 Week 0, Friday Scramble 11 miles. This was a big day, more elevation gain in one day than I've done all year. It was a good day and I even felt reasonably good the next day (although I was pretty lazy and barely left the house). I think my efforts are paying off. (Now if I could just go uphill faster...) There were so many different kinds of flowers out there! I stopped taking pictures because I know if I try to identify too many at once, I won't remember them all. I might already have too many for one day, lol! possibly Desert Parsley Shootingstar Alpine Spring Beauty possibly Alpine Anemone Really had trouble with this one. Maybe Smooth Douglasia Jacob's Ladder Mountains 4 1 Quote Challenges: #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12, #13, #14, #15, #16, #17, #18, #19, #20, #21, #22, #23, #24, #25, #26, #27, #28, Current Walk to Mordor: 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 Link to comment
Ranger Hal Posted June 19 Author Report Share Posted June 19 Week 0, Saturday I spent the day puttering around the house. Did some laundry, dusting, and swept some of the floors. I also sewed the button back onto the office pants and got a good start on removing the waist band on the hiking pants, so yay for challenge goals! 2 Quote Challenges: #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12, #13, #14, #15, #16, #17, #18, #19, #20, #21, #22, #23, #24, #25, #26, #27, #28, Current Walk to Mordor: 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 Link to comment
Ranger Hal Posted June 19 Author Report Share Posted June 19 Week 1, Sunday I was going to go for a walk in the afternoon/evening, but every time I thought about it, it started dumping rain (way heavier than we usually get) and it even hailed for a while, so I opted to stay indoors. I think I finished taking out the stitching that needs to be removed on the hiking pants, so the next step should be putting in gather threads and pinning everything in place in preparation to sew it all back together! There was a marmot that chewed on my gatorade bottle and left a few bite marks on my trekking poles on Friday (we left the packs unattended for a bit), and I think he might have chewed on a section of my pack as well, but I'm not entirely sure because that part was already kind of worn through from general use. You know you might need a new pack when you can't tell whether the marmot actually chewed on it 😆 1 4 Quote Challenges: #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12, #13, #14, #15, #16, #17, #18, #19, #20, #21, #22, #23, #24, #25, #26, #27, #28, Current Walk to Mordor: 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 Link to comment
Ranger Hal Posted June 20 Author Report Share Posted June 20 Week 1, Monday Hike 3.8 miles Zone 3 Got to the trailhead, didn't want to. It was cloudy and gloomy. Did it anyway. 3 1 Quote Challenges: #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12, #13, #14, #15, #16, #17, #18, #19, #20, #21, #22, #23, #24, #25, #26, #27, #28, Current Walk to Mordor: 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 Link to comment
Harriet Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 On 6/15/2023 at 11:09 PM, Ranger Hal said: Well, I don't understand it all that well (I haven't made an effort to get very deep into the science), but my impression is that training mostly below the aerobic threshold is good for endurance type sports and the hiking and mountaineering that I want to do definitely falls into that category. That seems to be what my watch uses to calculate zones. I'm currently using 180 minus age to calculate aerobic threshold. It's a couple of bpm lower than what my watch says the top of Zone 3 is, so I try to stay out of the very top end of Zone 3. This all seems to line up reasonably well with some of the breathing guidelines related to hiking and aerobic threshold, so I'm not at all tempted to try to get a more accurate number (involving treadmills and/or labs) at this point. I've been googling zones and heart rate and I'm super confused especially by the recommendation that zone 3 is some kind of grey area where you accumulate fatigue too fast to make for good training. But that's what my programme has me doing. Ugh, I don't know. I love the tiny flowers! Especially the little magenta one. Do you have a specific goal with the hiking? A speed or number of miles you'd like to be able to do easily? 1 Quote Let cheese and oxen and mead crowd out our secret desires for power and domination - Harriet the Viking Just be bold, fluid and unapologetic, not small, hairy and indecisive - Harriet the Artist You can absorb me! - Harriet the Contextless Guru Link to comment
Sovalis Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 I am proud of you for doing it anyway!! 🌟 1 Quote Past Challenges: #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9 Current Challenge: #10 Link to comment
Elastigirl Posted June 20 Report Share Posted June 20 2 hours ago, Harriet said: I've been googling zones and heart rate and I'm super confused especially by the recommendation that zone 3 is some kind of grey area where you accumulate fatigue too fast to make for good training. But that's what my programme has me doing. Ugh, I don't know. That confuses me too. Especially since it's so easy to go from zone 2 to zone 3, and I feel like a lot of my zone 2 training is more zone 3 in reality. 1 Quote Wisdom 22.5 Dexterity 13 Charisma 15 Strength 21 Constitution-13 "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind' Luke 10; 27 Link to comment
Ranger Hal Posted June 20 Author Report Share Posted June 20 1 hour ago, Harriet said: I've been googling zones and heart rate and I'm super confused especially by the recommendation that zone 3 is some kind of grey area where you accumulate fatigue too fast to make for good training. But that's what my programme has me doing. Ugh, I don't know. Ugh, I don't know either. This is why I never really got into this sort of thing. It's all confusing. Am I going too fast? It already feels slow when I'm staying in Zone 3 when hiking uphill. Downhill I'm usually in Zone 1, although sometimes it slips into No Zone or the low end of Zone 2. A fairly brief google came up with some issues for folks doing Zone 3 when they're supposed to be recovering from harder workouts, so doing Zone 3 every day may not be a good idea, but what do I know? Maybe I need to actually read (and understand) that training book I got from the library, but it's big and intimidating and I keep hoping someone will just tell me what I should be doing. 2 hours ago, Harriet said: Do you have a specific goal with the hiking? A speed or number of miles you'd like to be able to do easily? I don't really have anything specific except faster. Right now, I seem to do okay with scrambling and climbing trips where the pace is labeled as "moderate." Eventually I'd like to get on faster paced trips, but that might not happen this year. Distance is less of a goal. I feel like I can go pretty long distances if I have to. It's just a question of how long it would take. I suppose if I was looking for a specific speed goal, 2 mph (going uphill) on some of my local trails that have a decent (but not crazy) amount of elevation gain would be nice, but doing that while keeping below aerobic threshold is going to take a while. I seem to be in the 1.5-1.7 mph range now while staying in Zone 3. Last night was more like 1.2 mph, but it was steep (1300' elevation gain per mile) which slows things down. I'm actually pretty happy with my overall fitness right now. I might not be particularly fast, but I've done some good distance and elevation gain trips so far this year. It's a big improvement over last year. 3 Quote Challenges: #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12, #13, #14, #15, #16, #17, #18, #19, #20, #21, #22, #23, #24, #25, #26, #27, #28, Current Walk to Mordor: 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 Link to comment
Ranger Hal Posted June 21 Author Report Share Posted June 21 Week 1, Tuesday Walk 4.8 miles Zone 1 1 Quote Challenges: #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12, #13, #14, #15, #16, #17, #18, #19, #20, #21, #22, #23, #24, #25, #26, #27, #28, Current Walk to Mordor: 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 Link to comment
Qnobi Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 On 6/20/2023 at 2:46 PM, Elastigirl said: That confuses me too. Especially since it's so easy to go from zone 2 to zone 3, and I feel like a lot of my zone 2 training is more zone 3 in reality. I YouTube binged this stuff. What I picked up is Zone 2 is fully aerobic, where we’re using lipids as fuel and can keep doing so as long as we stay in that zone. The body gets a signal to produce more mitochondria in order to make more ATP (and thus burn even more fat logs), which increases our aerobic efficiency. Zone 4 is fully anaerobic, where we stress those little mitochondria, kill some off, and the stronger ones contribute their best practices to the new ones we make next time. This ultimately drives up VO2 max. Zone 3 is aerobic threshold, where we can’t quite keep up by burning fat and go ahead and start burning glucose. I think (heavy emphasis on think) that the two fuel types muddle the benefit of working on one or the other. That’s all my summary of what people who sounded smart on YouTube said, so you know…grain of salt. Smart guy: 3 Quote Link to comment
Ranger Hal Posted June 21 Author Report Share Posted June 21 2 hours ago, Qnobi said: I YouTube binged this stuff. What I picked up is Zone 2 is fully aerobic, where we’re using lipids as fuel and can keep doing so as long as we stay in that zone. The body gets a signal to produce more mitochondria in order to make more ATP (and thus burn even more fat logs), which increases our aerobic efficiency. Zone 4 is fully anaerobic, where we stress those little mitochondria, kill some off, and the stronger ones contribute their best practices to the new ones we make next time. This ultimately drives up VO2 max. Zone 3 is aerobic threshold, where we can’t quite keep up by burning fat and go ahead and start burning glucose. I think (heavy emphasis on think) that the two fuel types muddle the benefit of working on one or the other. That’s all my summary of what people who sounded smart on YouTube said, so you know…grain of salt. Smart guy: Thanks, that's interesting stuff! But to make things more confusing, Smart Guy's Zone 2 is 65%-74% and Zone 3 is 75%-84%. My watch's factory defaults have Zone 2 at 60%-70% and Zone 3 at 70%-80%. And my 180 minus age calc for aerobic threshold is at 78%. This is making me feel a little better about using 180 minus age as the upper boundary for training hikes, but why can't everyone just use the same scale? 1 2 Quote Challenges: #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12, #13, #14, #15, #16, #17, #18, #19, #20, #21, #22, #23, #24, #25, #26, #27, #28, Current Walk to Mordor: 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 Link to comment
Qnobi Posted June 21 Report Share Posted June 21 Lance Armstrong used to say 130 as a general rule. That gels with my calculation, which puts the center of my zone 2 at 128. 1 Quote Link to comment
Ranger Hal Posted June 22 Author Report Share Posted June 22 Week 1, Wednesday Well, I was going to do a hike after work, but I stayed too late working on something. And then I thought about going for a walk, but it's the first nice evening in a while (been raining a bunch) and I opted to do yard work. I whacked another chunk of my "lawn" and pruned a whole bunch of the blackberries that were threatening my garden (weed patch) and back door. And then it was basically dark. I can definitely feel my arms, so apparently it was a workout! I'm happy that the blackberries have been beaten back, for a brief time anyway. 5 Quote Challenges: #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12, #13, #14, #15, #16, #17, #18, #19, #20, #21, #22, #23, #24, #25, #26, #27, #28, Current Walk to Mordor: 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 Link to comment
Harriet Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 On 6/21/2023 at 11:00 PM, Qnobi said: I YouTube binged this stuff. What I picked up is Zone 2 is fully aerobic, where we’re using lipids as fuel and can keep doing so as long as we stay in that zone. The body gets a signal to produce more mitochondria in order to make more ATP (and thus burn even more fat logs), which increases our aerobic efficiency. Zone 4 is fully anaerobic, where we stress those little mitochondria, kill some off, and the stronger ones contribute their best practices to the new ones we make next time. This ultimately drives up VO2 max. Zone 3 is aerobic threshold, where we can’t quite keep up by burning fat and go ahead and start burning glucose. I think (heavy emphasis on think) that the two fuel types muddle the benefit of working on one or the other. That’s all my summary of what people who sounded smart on YouTube said, so you know…grain of salt. I'm so confused. I'm reading different things that don't add up. Most of the sources I'm reading suggest that zone 4 is about 80-90% of your maximum heart rate, and that you can workout in this range for 20-40 minutes??? Or 30-60 minutes??? I'm pretty sure if you're working out for 20 minutes, you are still relying heavily on aerobic energy production, with some contribution by anaerobic systems (we always use a mix). According to most sources on the three energy production systems, anerobic glycolytic/lactic acid system predominates at high intensity efforts of 2 minutes or less, while the ATP-creatine phosphate system contributes the most in very intense 10-30 second efforts. Sprints and powerlifting, really. So only the top of zone 5 would be primarily anaerobic, while zone 4 would presumably be a mix, and zones 3 and below would be mostly aerobic. But then... when doing low rep powerlifting, my heart rate scarcely budges, I think because it just takes time for heart rate to rise. Or maybe the watch isn't sensitive enough to pick up a very short spike in heart rate? It looks like the reasons people don't recommend zone 3 so much is that it accumulates more fatigue than zone 2, but isn't hard enough to increase your speed and power, like zone 4 and 5. Apparently, though, it can help push up the anaerobic threshhold (the point at which you start accumulating more lactic acid than you can dispose of) so it's still useful in some cases? Maybe it's exactly right for me, with my very unfitness and rapid fatigue/heart rate increase? Ugh, I don't know. Everyone writes something different. On 6/22/2023 at 1:15 AM, Ranger Hal said: Thanks, that's interesting stuff! But to make things more confusing, Smart Guy's Zone 2 is 65%-74% and Zone 3 is 75%-84%. My watch's factory defaults have Zone 2 at 60%-70% and Zone 3 at 70%-80%. And my 180 minus age calc for aerobic threshold is at 78%. This is making me feel a little better about using 180 minus age as the upper boundary for training hikes, but why can't everyone just use the same scale? Pure chaos! I'm also confused because I am very unfit with tachycardia. I think that means my ranges would be higher than normal.... but the maximum is determined by age, and fit people have higher maximums... so unfit with tachycardia would maybe mean a range that's compressed upward at the bottom, rather than being higher across all the zones? If I pick a slightly higher heart rate for my age, and compress the zones a little, then zones 1 and 2 match my walking heart rates, and zones 3 and 4 are my rowing machine rates, at which I start feeling some lactic acid but can still go for five minutes. That seems about right. I wonder if it's a mistake to work in zones 3 and 4 mostly? That's what the programme for POTS has me doing, although they call it "mid-maximal steady state" and "race pace" (they use a more complex calculation that takes into account resting heart rate). It's probably okay for the shorter workouts I'm doing, but it might just be beneficial to add longer, comfortable walks, if I can build up to that. There's literally nothing else I can do that would keep me below zone 3. Even my walks can get into zone 3 (135-150) if I'm not doing well that day. It's hard to know what to do with such nonsense. I guess doing anything is better than doing nothing, though. 2 Quote Let cheese and oxen and mead crowd out our secret desires for power and domination - Harriet the Viking Just be bold, fluid and unapologetic, not small, hairy and indecisive - Harriet the Artist You can absorb me! - Harriet the Contextless Guru Link to comment
Harriet Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 On 6/22/2023 at 7:02 AM, Ranger Hal said: I whacked another chunk of my "lawn" and pruned a whole bunch of the blackberries that were threatening my garden (weed patch) and back door. And then it was basically dark. I can definitely feel my arms, so apparently it was a workout! I'm happy that the blackberries have been beaten back, for a brief time anyway. Oooh, are the invaders edible? 1 Quote Let cheese and oxen and mead crowd out our secret desires for power and domination - Harriet the Viking Just be bold, fluid and unapologetic, not small, hairy and indecisive - Harriet the Artist You can absorb me! - Harriet the Contextless Guru Link to comment
Elastigirl Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 2 hours ago, Harriet said: Most of the sources I'm reading suggest that zone 4 is about 80-90% of your maximum heart rate, and that you can workout in this range for 20-40 minutes??? Or 30-60 minutes? What I read and heard on podcasts was that zone 4 should not be sustainable.Tops a couple of minutes. It doesn't sound logical to me that you could keep going at 90% of your heartrate for 40 minutes. Zone 3 you probably could. My understanding is that with zone 2 you should be able to sustain it for 30-60 minutes, which seems very doable. 2 Quote Wisdom 22.5 Dexterity 13 Charisma 15 Strength 21 Constitution-13 "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind' Luke 10; 27 Link to comment
Ranger Hal Posted June 23 Author Report Share Posted June 23 2 hours ago, Harriet said: But then... when doing low rep powerlifting, my heart rate scarcely budges, I think because it just takes time for heart rate to rise. Or maybe the watch isn't sensitive enough to pick up a very short spike in heart rate? I'm actually not too surprised by this because it came up in a discussion (maybe on one of my previous threads) about donating blood. For runners (and hikers), donating blood affects their pace for several weeks because the volume of red blood cells is reduced which means less ability to circulate oxygen. For me, that means my heart rate spikes easily when going uphill. Someone brought up lifting and I think the consensus was that donating blood shouldn't really affect lifting ability, so the fact that your heart rate doesn't change much doesn't surprise me on an instinctive level. Again, we're getting into things I don't know a lot about and I could be totally wrong. 3 hours ago, Harriet said: Oooh, are the invaders edible? Yes, but they are very invasive, so they can easily be found along roads, powerlines, parks, basically everywhere, so even if I get rid of all of the ones in my yard (fairly unlikely), I wouldn't have to go far to find more. 2 Quote Challenges: #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12, #13, #14, #15, #16, #17, #18, #19, #20, #21, #22, #23, #24, #25, #26, #27, #28, Current Walk to Mordor: 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 Link to comment
Ranger Hal Posted June 23 Author Report Share Posted June 23 20 minutes ago, Elastigirl said: What I read and heard on podcasts was that zone 4 should not be sustainable.Tops a couple of minutes. It doesn't sound logical to me that you could keep going at 90% of your heartrate for 40 minutes. Zone 3 you probably could. My understanding is that with zone 2 you should be able to sustain it for 30-60 minutes, which seems very doable. Zone 4 (80%-90%) for 20-40 minutes doesn't seem too unreasonable, but it probably won't be fun. When hiking uphill, I have to intentionally slow myself down to stay out of the lower end of Zone 4. I don't have a lot of data because my watch is pretty new and I don't wear it all the time, but I think solidly in Zone 4 is where I end up when I'm out with SAR and we're in a hurry and really pushing the pace. I can recall being able to hold the fast pace for a mile or so, so probably the 20-30 minutes range, but it's miserable and then I have to take a break or slow down or I'll start to feel sick. I've hiked Mount Si almost entirely in Zone 3 (70%-80%), so that's probably good for at least a couple of hours. It's definitely work, but it's doable. I suspect the 30-60 minute recommendation for Zone 2 is probably based more on the amount of time people have available for workouts and/or the time needed to benefit from it rather than for how long it can be maintained. 3 Quote Challenges: #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12, #13, #14, #15, #16, #17, #18, #19, #20, #21, #22, #23, #24, #25, #26, #27, #28, Current Walk to Mordor: 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023 Link to comment
Qnobi Posted June 23 Report Share Posted June 23 I suspect all that variation traces to individual physiology and the populations they studied. But hey, they all include 70% in zone 2… So I did a little experiment and just did a pretty hard interval run. I wasn’t falling down, but pretty strong effort. My max recorded HR was 181, so let’s say 180 for round numbers. 70% of that is 126. That’s really low, but if I want keep it simple it’s a decent upper limit. Echoes of @Elastigirl’s challenge — I don’t want to nuke it in the middle of the run, so I think I’ll try this (for 80% of cardio) for a couple of challenges and just see what happens. ETA: looking at the data, Apple says my zone 2 starts at 130. So maybe I’m doing Zone 1 training. 😂 4 Quote Link to comment
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