Ancalagon vs. Goodwince, Starting Strength of a Warrior Challenge

[llsoszynski@gmail.com]

Hey just stopping by to say good luck to the challengers Seems like you two are a good match for eachother! Minus the 50lbs Ancalagon has on you squat-wise, Goodwince, haha.

This PvP will make the next challenge alot more interesting!

[Ancalagon The Black]

Thanks lainisos. I think that goodwince and I are very heavily matched. I just have a much heavier lower body.

[Ancalagon The Black]

Yeah, perhaps rewards should be set as goal numbers for our lifts? I think that's more appropriate since we kinda have a better gauge for that!

Great ! How do you want to do this?

[Ancalagon The Black]

Update: November 8, 2012

Barbell Squat: +837 pts

45 lb x 5 reps (+36 pts)

45 lb x 5 reps (+36 pts)

135 lb x 5 reps (+66 pts)

185 lb x 3 reps (+74 pts)

225 lb x 2 reps (+82 pts)

285 lb x 5 reps (+181 pts)

285 lb x 5 reps (+181 pts)

285 lb x 5 reps (+181 pts)

Standing Barbell Shoulder Press (OHP): +451 pts

45 lb x 5 reps (+49 pts)

45 lb x 5 reps (+49 pts)

65 lb x 5 reps (+56 pts)

95 lb x 3 reps (+55 pts)

115 lb x 2 reps (+53 pts)

140 lb x 1 reps (+51 pts)

140 lb x 2 reps (+63 pts)

140 lb x 3 reps (+75 pts)

Barbell Deadlift: +299 pts

135 lb x 5 reps (+66 pts)

135 lb x 5 reps (+66 pts)

185 lb x 3 reps (+74 pts)

275 lb x 1 reps (+93 pts)

Bodyweight: 182.4 lbs

Total Points: 1587

Analysis: Very annoyed with the gym today. I thought I would have a mega workout today and started off very well with squats. Then, had a weird progression on the OHP trying to go for 140lbs. Anyway, the gym didn't have chalk today for deadlifts and that was highly irritating. Moreover, I had a niggle in the left shoulder which prevented a proper underhand grip. Not cool. I think I am going to eat and sleep more for the next couple of days and then come back with a bang.

At least, my squats are coolz.

[goodwince]

We could choose where we think we'll be in 4 weeks. We're ending on the third of December right? So basically each of us sets numbers and if we achieve we get a reward. And I mean real numbers good to reach goals. Good grinding numbers. (I think I made it clear lol).

SS will do that. Did you feel a little tired going in?

[Ancalagon The Black]

Yeah, still getting a little used to the more numbers of sets in starting strength. Everything hurts but new, higher strength fish oil is here and I am looking forward to squatting good and hard tomorrow.

Question: How much time do you take between each working set of the same exercise?

[goodwince]

It just depends on how I feel. I tend to think about it as what I feel and how much time I have to actually workout.

[goodwince]

Barbell Squat: 644

50 lb x 5 reps (+37 pts)

50 lb x 5 reps (+37 pts)

95 lb x 5 reps (+50 pts)

140 lb x 3 reps (+54 pts)

190 lb x 2 reps (+64 pts)

240 lb x 5 reps (+134 pts)

240 lb x 5 reps (+134 pts)

240 lb x 5 reps (+134 pts)

Standing Barbell Shoulder Press (OHP): 535

50 lb x 5 reps (+51 pts)

50 lb x 5 reps (+51 pts)

70 lb x 5 reps (+58 pts)

90 lb x 3 reps (+53 pts)

110 lb x 2 reps (+52 pts)

135 lb x 5 reps (+90 pts)

135 lb x 5 reps (+90 pts)

135 lb x 5 reps (+90 pts)

Bent Over Barbell Row:

50 lb x 5 reps (+20 pts)

50 lb x 5 reps (+20 pts)

70 lb x 5 reps (+24 pts)

90 lb x 3 reps (+22 pts)

110 lb x 2 reps (+21 pts)

140 lb x 5 reps (+38 pts)

140 lb x 5 reps (+38 pts)

140 lb x 5 reps (+38 pts)

Changed this up after watching another do barbell rows. I was having too much hip action and it's now obvious. The point of the barbell row is to work the mid back not the lower back. That's what DL is for.

Total: 1179

Sum of Workouts: 1516 + 1179 = 3276

[Ancalagon The Black]

Update: November 10, 2012

Barbell Squat +839 pts

45 lb x 5 reps (+36 pts)

45 lb x 5 reps (+36 pts)

135 lb x 5 reps (+66 pts)

185 lb x 3 reps (+74 pts)

225 lb x 2 reps (+82 pts)

290 lb x 5 reps (+187 pts)

290 lb x 5 reps (+187 pts)

290 lb x 4 reps (+171 pts)

Barbell Bench Press +470 pts

45 lb x 5 reps (+36 pts)

65 lb x 5 reps (+41 pts)

95 lb x 5 reps (+50 pts)

135 lb x 3 reps (+53 pts)

155 lb x 2 reps (+51 pts)

190 lb x 3 reps (+76 pts)

190 lb x 3 reps (+76 pts)

190 lb x 4 reps (+87 pts)

Pushed hard on the last set because my partner thought I was not pushing hard enough. This is good. Will up the weight next time.

Power Clean +307 pts

45 lb x 5 reps (+27 pts)

45 lb x 5 reps (+27 pts)

65 lb x 5 reps (+30 pts)

85 lb x 3 reps (+28 pts)

95 lb x 2 reps (+25 pts)

115 lb x 3 reps (+34 pts)

115 lb x 3 reps (+34 pts)

115 lb x 3 reps (+34 pts)

115 lb x 3 reps (+34 pts)

115 lb x 3 reps (+34 pts)

Total Relevant Points for this workout: 1309

Total Cumulative Points for the PvP: 4222

Today's Bodyweight: 183.8 lbs (Increase ? Yay ?)

Analysis: I have a little niggle in the left shoulder which turns into a sharp pain when trying to do pull ups or chin ups. I wonder what it is. I am laying off pulls and chins for sometime now then. I feel it a little bit on the working sets of the bench press though when getting the bar off the rack the first time. I wonder whether I ought to do something about it.

[goodwince]

Hmm.. Just cut out the pull ups for now. Chins shouldn't cause it.

Pushing hard enough? I don't think you should up the weight unless you're hitting 3 sets of 5 or at least 2 sets and a set of 4.. Maybe you aren't pushing enough to get to those sets of 5 though. From what I've read SS and others don't let ego lifting get in the way 5 reps keeps you in 80%

[Ancalagon The Black]

Hmm. Good point. Will not up the weight until I hit 15 or 14 reps in those 3 sets.

[Ancalagon The Black]

PvP Personal Goals:

Deadlift: 315 lbs for 5 reps for 1 set.

Squats: 315 lbs for 5 reps for 3 sets.

Bench Press: 200 lbs for 5 reps for 3 sets.

OHP: 150 lbs for 5 reps for 3 sets.

I think the above 4 are doable (not easily) goals until December 3.

If I achieve all the above goals, I will buy myself the following when I return from home on 1st February:

1. Pull up bar for home. (something which allows me to do most kinds of grips)

2. Pre-workout supplement (probably Assault)

3. All Natural Whey (Optimum Nutrition)

4. A membership at Greenstar Cooperative/ The Piggery (which will give me discounts on the copious amounts of meat/milk that I buy from there)

[goodwince]

Dude.. you're going to destroy your back, but maybe not lol. Deadlift usually isn't done that many times, but if that's what you want to do only cut back if it starts to get painful on your back.

Woah.. a CoOp now this sounds intriguing to me. I'll have to look into this myself. Because that might be worthy of my consideration. Is it weird if I by myself eat family packs of food all the time? What's funny is today I started looking at my calories and realized that a lot of the time I don't get enough in.. Despite protein being hit!

Today's food. And I'll think about the PvP as well.

Barbell Squat: 682

50 lb x 5 reps (+37 pts)

50 lb x 5 reps (+37 pts)

100 lb x 5 reps (+52 pts)

150 lb x 3 reps (+58 pts)

200 lb x 2 reps (+69 pts)

250 lb x 5 reps (+143 pts)

250 lb x 5 reps (+143 pts)

250 lb x 5 reps (+143 pts)

Barbell Bench Press: 499

45 lb x 5 reps (+36 pts)

45 lb x 5 reps (+36 pts)

90 lb x 5 reps (+48 pts)

125 lb x 3 reps (+49 pts)

165 lb x 2 reps (+54 pts)

185 lb x 5 reps (+92 pts)

185 lb x 5 reps (+92 pts)

185 lb x 5 reps (+92 pts)

Barbell Deadlift: 416

105 lb x 5 reps (+54 pts)

160 lb x 3 reps (+62 pts)

225 lb x 2 reps (+82 pts)

270 lb x 5 reps (+164 pts)

105 lb x 5 reps (+54 pts)

Total Workout Points: 1597

Total Towards PvP: 3276 + 1597 = 4873

[guest439437484421]

I've got updates, will post when i have time later today.

[guest439437484421]

Current total: 1,102

Saturday, Nov. 10th, 2012:

Pre-adjustment total: 1,288

• Barbell Squat: 440

o 45 lb x 10 reps (+42 pts)

o 95 lb x 3 reps (+40 pts)

o 115 lb x 2 reps (+39 pts)

o 135 lb x 2 reps (+44 pts)

o 205 lb x 5 reps (+105 pts)

o 205 lb x 5 reps (+105 pts)

o 205 lb x 5 reps (+105 pts)

• Barbell Bench Press: 316

o 45 lb x 10 reps (+42 pts)

o 55 lb x 3 reps (+30 pts)

o 75 lb x 2 reps (+29 pts)

o 85 lb x 2 reps (+32 pts)

o 125 lb x 5 reps (+61 pts)

o 125 lb x 5 reps (+61 pts)

o 125 lb x 5 reps (+61 pts)

Adjusted Total: 736

Wow, dropping barbell rows hurts my points quite a bit. Ah well.

Running total: 1,838

[goodwince]

Great job, Thirster. You're upping the weights! I know what you mean. Dropping rows is a pain, but we had to keep a singularity between workouts.

[guest439437484421]

Great job, Thirster. You're upping the weights! I know what you mean. Dropping rows is a pain, but we had to keep a singularity between workouts.

:-D

the only thing i've stalled on so far is OHP and rows, but i was doing rows wrong so i deloaded them and am working back up with the correct form. also worked on my ohp form after reading starting strength and it's helped A LOT. i almost stalled to the point of deloading, but got my hands on starting strength and read the ohp section, now i've gone 3 ohp sessions without stalling. :-D i still have to take 3 minute rests though so i'm sure i'll stall again soon.

[goodwince]

Hmm don't know about rewards, but methinks I'll hit these goals!

• Squat - 3x5 @ 290
  
• Bench - 3x5 @ 210
  
• Press - 3x5 @ 150
  
• Deadlift - 1x5 @ 320
  

[guest439437484421]

One exciting thing is that I shoudl hit the 600 lbs mark for the big three in a couple of weeks. :-D

[Ancalagon The Black]

Yay for our PvP !

Also, yes, I made a typo on the deadlift goal. It should read 315 for 5 reps for 1 set. I have updated accordingly. My updates should be up tomorrow. I feel nice and well rested. And, I bought Chuck Taylors to squat in !! yay ! So, I am going to hit monster figures tomorrow, I swear I will !

[Ancalagon The Black]

Yeah, I think its worth for me to get a coop membership. I buy at least $200 food from them a month and 10-17% discount is nothing to be snubbed especially combined with a nice cash back credit card.

[guest439437484421]

Previous running total:

workout for 11/13/12:

Barbell Squat: 500

45 lb x 10 reps (+42 pts)

105 lb x 3 reps (+43 pts)

125 lb x 2 reps (+41 pts)

145 lb x 2 reps (+47 pts)

210 lb x 5 reps (+109 pts)

210 lb x 5 reps (+109 pts)

210 lb x 5 reps (+109 pts)

Standing Barbell Shoulder Press (OHP): 409

45 lb x 10 reps (+58 pts)

55 lb x 3 reps (+42 pts)

65 lb x 2 reps (+38 pts)

75 lb x 2 reps (+41 pts)

115 lb x 5 reps (+79 pts)

115 lb x 5 reps (+79 pts)

115 lb x 4 reps (+72 pts)

Barbell Deadlift: 239

145 lb x 2 reps (+47 pts)

165 lb x 2 reps (+54 pts)

245 lb x 5 reps (+138 pts)

Current running total: 2,986

[Ancalagon The Black]

Update: November 13, 2012

Barbell Squat +881 pts

45 lb x 5 reps (+36 pts)

65 lb x 5 reps (+41 pts)

135 lb x 5 reps (+66 pts)

185 lb x 3 reps (+74 pts)

225 lb x 2 reps (+82 pts)

295 lb x 5 reps (+194 pts)

295 lb x 5 reps (+194 pts)

295 lb x 5 reps (+194 pts)

Standing Barbell Shoulder Press (OHP) +439 pts

45 lb x 5 reps (+49 pts)

65 lb x 5 reps (+56 pts)

95 lb x 5 reps (+69 pts)

105 lb x 3 reps (+59 pts)

115 lb x 2 reps (+53 pts)

140 lb x 1 reps (+51 pts)

140 lb x 1 reps (+51 pts)

140 lb x 1 reps (+51 pts)

Barbell Deadlift +486 pts

135 lb x 5 reps (+66 pts)

185 lb x 4 reps (+84 pts)

205 lb x 3 reps (+85 pts)

225 lb x 2 reps (+82 pts)

275 lb x 5 reps (+169 pts)

Total Points for this workout: 1806

Total Cumulative Points for PvP: 6028

Analysis: Squats were good except the last rep on the last set where my right heel came up. Luckily, I was wearing my brand new Chuck Tayolorz ! - which are the best squatting shoes everz. I also lost strength in the OHP. I have done better before ! I think I need to eat and sleep more. Deadlifts were fine but the lack of chalk has really pissed me off now. I will go and buy chalk online now. Also, I hate Dick's sporting goods. For a sports store, they have no lifting chalk. Gah !

Today's Bodyweight: 182.6 lbs (squee !)

[goodwince]

Right heel came up? At the bottom? Great job on the squats! Get at it! We all have down days definitely check out the diet and calibrate!

[Ancalagon The Black]

Yeah. Just the one rep. In doing so, I lost a little bit of balance and leaned forward but steadied myself and powered up. Squats and deads on the same day is very tiring I think. I just destroyed an apple, about 24 oz of whey protein with creamy, whole milk and I brought lunch (chicken, mushrooms, carrots in gingery sauce) from home today so epic winz !

Do you know where chalk can be bought in person? I don't really want to buy online without checking the quality first but I suppose I may have to Amazon it.