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Hi,

 

This is my first post here at nerd fitness although i am an avid reader of the site and LOVE the articles posted by steve, staci et al.

 

Im not one that usually needs comraderie, support or friends to rally round, im pretty motivated, have high will power (you will see what i mean later in the post) and a real drive to succeed in things i do (as long as i like them, otherwise, forget it!) BUT

 

Im totally lost now.

 

See 3 years ago i weighed in at a massive 28 stone 7 lbs, for the yanks out there (im english) thats 399 pounds. I was one fat dude. And i was never sure why really, my diet was not the worst. I would watch programs on tv about obese people and think "I wish i ate all the shit they do and the fucker weighs less than me" (please excuse the cursing, in my childish brain i like doing it, A LOT!)

 

I have been to see the doctors about my weight numerous times and the abnormal way i put it on and keep it on, all to no avail, they look at me, see fat and lazy and tell me to stick to a diet and exercise more. The nhs is unable to see past this as are most governments.

 

To give you an example of my problem and their response i once went on holiday for 2 weeks. I gain 2 stone (28 lbs) and went to tthe doctor. He told me i ate too much. I asked him if he thought it was possible to eat the extra 7000 calories despite not eating lunch, swimming 2 hours a day and using the gym five times whilst walking hours each day exploring the city i was visitng, including the mountains and all he could say was "well you must have done" Believe me when i say, i did not.

 

Well skip forward a bit, im in love, due to get married this year, but my weight loss story starts way before that. I decided at some point, to try and lose weight. I tried many things, some worked, some didnt. I like to read, i have a high iq, i decided to learn everything i could and was determined to lose weight. And i did. I dropped weight, hitting milestone after milestone until 6 months ago.

 

I reached 19 stone 5 lbs (271 lbs) this, i know, is a massive acheiment, i have lost more weight than some people will ever need to.

 

And then something changed. it had been happening for a while, it was a massive struggle to get under 20 stone (280 lbs) and i had become more and more interested in paleo. I read nerd fitness, i thought i would explode at the the information here, i was so happy to have found it. i read wheat belly, good calories, bad calories, the paleao soloution by rob wolff, marks daily apple and his bok (cant remember the title) i watched fat head (A great film!) and strarted assimilating all the info i could get.

 

A little more about me, i have always had stomach issues, terrible cramps sometimes, i pass blood (but the doctors dont know why and why it is only sometimes, i can go months without it happening) some of it seems linked to diet (pizza and indian food can make me feel like dying instead of the pain and I have a very high threshold. I broke my ankle in 3 places and walked and drove on it (its my right ankle too) without ever having it properly set (im gonna pay for that in later life) i used to stub ciggarettes and matches out on my arms as a party trick (not to self harm) for my friends as they were amazed at my lack of pain and often stick my hands in fires ( i have a log burner) and hold hot things without problem or scarring.

 

I have gout, in both ankles, it runs in my family, so i already watch what i eat and dont drink much at all, ive had it since 24 but never really drank a lot before due to bad experiences and being a bit of a dick when drunk (i apparently have tried to strangle a few ex girlfriends whilst drunk, which, considering how nice i am in sober life, is a bit scary) and once german suplexed my friend on concrete "for a laugh" he was not smiling. (he forgave me!) so i know its not that.

 

Wow, i got lost there, let me get back on track.

 

6 months on and im now 19 stone 3 lbs. Everythings changed. I cant lose any more weight. I am full paleo, have been for months now. It is no longer working. I thought id hit a plateu so i mixed things up. in the last few months i have tried: (not in this order)

counting calories (My PT sister advised me i might not be eating enough) - didnt work

cut out dairy, caffeine, wheat and sugar in all forms, grains, i mean STRICT FULL PALEO - didnt work

i ate just eggs, chicken and fish - didnt work.

Stopped cheating at the weekend ( i would have one meal of what ever i wanted) - didnt work

tried intermittent fasting - didnt work

tried eating just meat - didnt work

cut out potatoes and other starchy veg - didnt work

going to the gym 3 times a week, followed starting strength beginners program, whilst all of the above- put on weight, didnt work (and dont tell me it could be muscle, i know that, but im not putting on 3 lbs of muscle a week eating basically nothing.)

 

In fact, some of these made my weight go back up to 20stone 10 lbs!!!! (290lbs!!!)

 

So basically, yesterday i got so fucking depressed (i just lost the house i was hoping to move into) i ate whatever i liked. I had cheese and coleslaw sandwhiches, hot cross buns (easter YAY!!!) scones with jam and ben and jerrys karma-sutra ice cream! (it was FUCKING awesome)

 

What else should you know about me?

 

In my job (im a dog groomer/dog walker) i walk 2 hours five days a week, i lift heavy dogs as im a large breed specialist and im now totally unsure what to do.

 

I have eaetn just eggs chicken and fish for two weeks, total weight loss 1lb.

 

Im now begining to wonder if its worth it.

 

Any thoughts or help or am i just fucked.

:)

 

Today i am not surprsied my wieight shows 19stone 10lbs (cant be bothered to convert this right now, please ask google or your favourite search engine, or google)

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Sorry I can't help at all, But until someone replies, I really wish someone finds a solution for you, really sucks to see some people do all the bad stuff and still have results (like my Girlfriend) and have people like you who try hard as damn and lose progress instead. Good luck buddy, and keep us updated, I want to know how you work this out and I want to see ou get results!

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There's only one way to lose weight, and that is to eat fewer calories than you need. Track every calorie you put in your mouth, weigh in weekly, and adjust down accordingly. One pound of fat is 3500 calories. For every 500 calories you are in deficit daily, you will lose one pound per week. Eventually your metabolism will adapt and downregulate. At the point you will have to come up to a surplus to get your metabolism heated back up and repeat.

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El exorcisto,

I think in this case though, that may not be the solution,  not because you are wrong, but if i am reading his story right (strict paleo at his weight, i can almost promise he is at a deficit), I really think he needs to get himself checked first. Make sure he is healthy in all aspects. He mentioned he counted calories, and though not the best options, going super low carb etc, I am a bit surprised he didn't even drop the what i call "body shock" weight.

 

Colby,

i know you said you went to a doc and he didn't listen. Has he tried doing some hormone tests etc. to make sure all that stuff is in check? if he isn't willing to, go to another doctor.

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Agree it sounds like it could be medical. Almost sounds exactly like this guy I read about, where he ate a strict diet, exercised more than a pro athlete, and yet still weighed almost 400lb! It turns out it was a medical issue, I think something with his thyroid and hormones.

All in all dude, I'd say get it all checked out before throwing in the towel. Go through every plausible theory till you find what's up.

Also sounds like there's a lot of stress in your life. Not good for the body, wouldn't go on to say that's what is causing it though.

What's your workouts like BTW?

(Don't mind the cussing!)

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I've said it before and I'll say it again. You can eat too much of anything and gain weight. See if a doc can find something wrong with you, but my spidey sense is calling shenanigans. No medical condition can make you retain weight if you are eating at a deficit. Some conditions can downregulate a metabolism, but lowering calorie intake will still cause weight loss.

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Agree

But I still think a doctor's input, plus some research would be a good idea.

And make sure the doctor is a good one. Is he telling you, you have this problem and prescribes some medication because he's sure it'll work. Or does he want you out of the office fast?

Hey you've talked about weight dude. But how's the clothes fitting? Weight isn't everything and scales do lie. I'm going down a size but the scale States that I haven't lost a single pound.

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I'm kind of with Exorcisto on this one.  You might have the world's most efficient metabolism, you might be retaining gallons of water, but in the end, your body can't violate the laws of thermodynamics.  Sounds like you're an extreme outlier in terms of metabolism, though, and it sounds you have some other medical issues that are playing into your weight.  Ordinary, I'd suggest seeing a doctor, but you've done that.  See another one until you get an answer?

 

The only other thing I can think of would be to count calories religiously for a while - not even with a set goal beyond eating healthy, but just to make sure you're really counting everything.  Write down every single thing that goes into your mouth, even if the calories are negligible.  Heck, write down how much water you drink.  Weigh every single piece of food, and measure every beverage, so you know exactly how much you're eating, not just "servings."  Don't eyeball anything, don't gloss over anything - if you put butter on your toast, measure it first to be sure how much you're using.  If you put cream in your coffee, don't just google "coffee with cream," actually measure out the cream and add it separately.  Be fanatical, and scrupulously honest.  If in doubt, err on the side of more calories.  Do this for a few weeks and weigh yourself daily, down to the ounce (yes, weekly is usually better, but we want to capture daily fluctuations - for SCIENCE!).  Also take body measurements and photos weekly.  Then, post your food logs, calorie counts, weights, and measurements to the forums, either as you go or after you're done (you don't have to post the pics unless you want to).  Yes, that's a metric fuckton of work - but I'm trying to remove any possibility of user error from the equation.  If it turns out you're eating 2500 calories and didn't realize it, there's your answer.  If you come in low, like 1500 or so, and you're exercising, and you're still not losing weight, you might have a super-low baseline metabolism.  In that case, maybe try dropping another 500 calories a day.  But 1000 is scary low, so check with a doctor first.  Do everything else in your life as close to exactly the same as you can - sleep, exercise, work, fluids, everything.  At that point, you should see results, because you're eating 500 calories less but doing all the things that used to burn those calories.  If you don't see results, you may be an exception to the things we think we know about weight loss.  In which case, I wouldn't look to the internet for advice.  Keep seeing doctors until you find one who has an answer for you.

 

And if that doesn't work, just be the fittest 20 stone you can be.

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Honestly, this could be a medical issue. 

 

I had a friend who swore up and down that she had a healthy diet but she just. kept. gaining. weight. This went on for years. Of course, as a believer in calorie counting, I never believed her. She spent years going to doctors, until one finally found her issue and diagnosed her with Hashimoto's disease. He put her on medication for it, and without making a single lifestyle change, I saw the weight just melt off of her. So yes, sometimes there really is a legitimate medical issue that can prevent what should theoretically work for everyone from working. 

 

If you KNOW that your diet is in order, I would suggest seeing an endocrinologist. If you are unsure, I would follow the advice above to track your calories fanatically for a few weeks first to see if that gets you moving. 

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I'd like to echo a few people above. You can't physically put on weight if you're eating a caloric deficit, which at your current weight of 276 lbs (yeah I googled) would be less than around 2300 (judicious guesswork on age and height here) just for your BMR, and maybe more like 3000 with your activity level. I'm sure at some point in your dieting you probably experimented with numbers less than this. However, with as many things as you've tried, how much time did you give each different diet attempt?

 

You listed 8 or 10 different diet alterations and said they happened over a few months. I don't think you gave any of them enough time. My advice would be to pick one that's sustainable and that works for you (sounds like you've had success with eating paleo), be balanced, don't think that all carbs are your enemy, and stick with it. Medically, people are only advised to lose about a pound a week, so it'll be slow going. But I think keeping a steady diet would help with multiple things here. I'd also recommend setting a weight loss goal using something like My Fitness Pal or IIFYM, and then using MFP to track your diet to make sure you're not grossly overeating without being aware.

 

 

Now on the medical issues (disclaimer: I'm a 2nd year med student, which basically means I know even less about medicine than when I started--so grain of salt). IF you're gaining weight despite your best efforts, the most common issues are hypothyroidism or hypercortisolism. Hypothyroidism is exceedingly common, with Hashimoto thyroiditis being one of the more common manifestations. Anything like that could alter your BMR. Increased cortisol has several causes, the most common of which being the use of oral corticosteroids. If that's the case, that's an easy fix. Of these two situations, you're much more likely to be hypothyroid. Diagnosing this is just a simple blood test. 

 

You also mentioned passing blood in your stool, and some food intolerances, which would point me toward irritable bowel syndrome (IBS). Please do NOT say you have celiac disease. I've heard way too many people saying they're "gluten intolerant" without having a damn clue how debilitating celiac actually is. That being said, IBS can manifest with some food sensitivities. (Reaching now, but you mentioned the whole weird pain tolerance thing. Could be a vitamin deficiency secondary to malabsorption caused by the IBS...like I said, reaching)

 

If you do have a sensitive bowel, altering your diet habits too frequently will most certainly cause issues. You also sound like you're somewhat self-conscious about your weight, and I can tell you that the number one risk factor for IBS is anxiety, and that people have flare ups when they're more anxious. So to circle back around: pick a plan and stick to it. Give yourself some constancy and some time to adjust. Don't worry about your weight--that only makes things worse. You've already lost 130 pounds, and that's amazing. Steady diet and exercise should produce steady (but slow) results, and this may help correct your bowel issues as well. If not--I think it would then be time to talk to a real doctor who isn't on a forum ;)

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There's only one way to lose weight, and that is to eat fewer calories than you need. Track every calorie you put in your mouth, weigh in weekly, and adjust down accordingly. One pound of fat is 3500 calories. For every 500 calories you are in deficit daily, you will lose one pound per week. Eventually your metabolism will adapt and downregulate. At the point you will have to come up to a surplus to get your metabolism heated back up and repeat.

Thanks for all the replies.

 

sigh - if only it were so simple. i have done just this, measured everything, counted EVERYTHING - im so commited its untrue and the result of my weeks of counting, being good and calorie defecit? weight gain. no shit.

 

 

El exorcisto,

I think in this case though, that may not be the solution,  not because you are wrong, but if i am reading his story right (strict paleo at his weight, i can almost promise he is at a deficit), I really think he needs to get himself checked first. Make sure he is healthy in all aspects. He mentioned he counted calories, and though not the best options, going super low carb etc, I am a bit surprised he didn't even drop the what i call "body shock" weight.

 

Colby,

i know you said you went to a doc and he didn't listen. Has he tried doing some hormone tests etc. to make sure all that stuff is in check? if he isn't willing to, go to another doctor.

 

I agree here, i am now eating just chicken, eggs and fish. nothing else. no milk, no caffeine, no diet coke, not even some dust (little Britain joke there)

 

I have had hormone tests in the past and never had a problem, its been a while now so i will get him to check them again, thats if i can get an appointment, if i tell him why i want to see him its likely i wont get to see him. as for other doctors? they are all the same.

 

 

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Agree it sounds like it could be medical. Almost sounds exactly like this guy I read about, where he ate a strict diet, exercised more than a pro athlete, and yet still weighed almost 400lb! It turns out it was a medical issue, I think something with his thyroid and hormones.

All in all dude, I'd say get it all checked out before throwing in the towel. Go through every plausible theory till you find what's up.

Also sounds like there's a lot of stress in your life. Not good for the body, wouldn't go on to say that's what is causing it though.

What's your workouts like BTW?

(Don't mind the cussing!)

Stress right now is a MAJOR concern and i reckon a factor, maybe not the biggest but definitely one of them. My biggest stress though right now is my lack of weight loss and fucked up weight.

 

Work out wise i walk 2 hours a day, 5 days a week. I was lifting three days a week. Squat, bench, deadlift   and   Squat, military press, pendlay row. I squat 120kg, bench 90kg and deadlift 120kg. Which would get better if i kept going, but due to the fact i was gaining 3lb a week and i doubt it was muscle (im not on steroids) i stopped going.

 

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again. You can eat too much of anything and gain weight. See if a doc can find something wrong with you, but my spidey sense is calling shenanigans. No medical condition can make you retain weight if you are eating at a deficit. Some conditions can downregulate a metabolism, but lowering calorie intake will still cause weight loss.

Im going to see a doctor but i can tell you, i eat at a defecit. right now i eat the same thing every day (pretty much sometimes i switch things round but the portion/food is the same)  Meal 1 3 eggs and 120g smoked salmon  meal 2 1/2 a whole roast chicken  meal 3 1/2 a whole roast chicken and 120g smoked salmon or 200g smoked mackeral. Tell me where the shennanigans is in that? Its not bullshit either. i wouldnt bother my time after all these months coming here telling people and begging for help and ideas if i was eating fried chicken and pizza on the sly. I know you dont mean any offenc, i dont either and i havent taken any to your words, i thank you for your time to respond and i agree that eating too much of anything causes weight gain, but im just not doing that. i promise.

 

 

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Agree

But I still think a doctor's input, plus some research would be a good idea.

And make sure the doctor is a good one. Is he telling you, you have this problem and prescribes some medication because he's sure it'll work. Or does he want you out of the office fast?

Hey you've talked about weight dude. But how's the clothes fitting? Weight isn't everything and scales do lie. I'm going down a size but the scale States that I haven't lost a single pound.

 

I will see my doc, ill let you know what goes on. My doctor is shit. so are all the ones ive met. its nhs here so all docs want you out the dor fast, they spend more time looking at a clock than their patients.

 

I HAVE dropped a jeans size before this started, but since i stopped losinng weight, i havent dropped any more inches either, i do measure my waist (49 inches) and it never changes.

 

 

I'm kind of with Exorcisto on this one.  You might have the world's most efficient metabolism, you might be retaining gallons of water, but in the end, your body can't violate the laws of thermodynamics.  Sounds like you're an extreme outlier in terms of metabolism, though, and it sounds you have some other medical issues that are playing into your weight.  Ordinary, I'd suggest seeing a doctor, but you've done that.  See another one until you get an answer?

 

The only other thing I can think of would be to count calories religiously for a while - not even with a set goal beyond eating healthy, but just to make sure you're really counting everything.  Write down every single thing that goes into your mouth, even if the calories are negligible.  Heck, write down how much water you drink.  Weigh every single piece of food, and measure every beverage, so you know exactly how much you're eating, not just "servings."  Don't eyeball anything, don't gloss over anything - if you put butter on your toast, measure it first to be sure how much you're using.  If you put cream in your coffee, don't just google "coffee with cream," actually measure out the cream and add it separately.  Be fanatical, and scrupulously honest.  If in doubt, err on the side of more calories.  Do this for a few weeks and weigh yourself daily, down to the ounce (yes, weekly is usually better, but we want to capture daily fluctuations - for SCIENCE!).  Also take body measurements and photos weekly.  Then, post your food logs, calorie counts, weights, and measurements to the forums, either as you go or after you're done (you don't have to post the pics unless you want to).  Yes, that's a metric fuckton of work - but I'm trying to remove any possibility of user error from the equation.  If it turns out you're eating 2500 calories and didn't realize it, there's your answer.  If you come in low, like 1500 or so, and you're exercising, and you're still not losing weight, you might have a super-low baseline metabolism.  In that case, maybe try dropping another 500 calories a day.  But 1000 is scary low, so check with a doctor first.  Do everything else in your life as close to exactly the same as you can - sleep, exercise, work, fluids, everything.  At that point, you should see results, because you're eating 500 calories less but doing all the things that used to burn those calories.  If you don't see results, you may be an exception to the things we think we know about weight loss.  In which case, I wouldn't look to the internet for advice.  Keep seeing doctors until you find one who has an answer for you.

 

And if that doesn't work, just be the fittest 20 stone you can be.

 

this might just be what i need to do, but i know what i eat (see above) and i drink about 3 litres of water a day, 2 as a minimum. i know cos i drink 2 litre bottles and not tap water (ever!) 

 

lol, i fucking hope not, i want to be an unhealthy 15 stone not a fit 20 stone! Im already fairly fit. I worked 4 hours the other day laying and shifting turf for my neighbour.i laid 60 rolls of turf, moving them 30 feet to lay them, gradually getting further away (as i progressed down the garden) i then moved the other 65 rolls ( i reckon they weigh in at about 20kg each) 60 foot down the garden to make it easier on my neighbours nephew who was coming the next day to finish the job. i did this WITHOUT a break and barely broke a sweat. My neighbour thinks i am superman (i like it that way) i then went out all day with my girlfriend and her friend, i wasnt even tired, i stayed up until 1 am playing assasins creed with my girlfriends friends son. Im pretty resilient and i think fairly fit (in that sense)

 

 

Honestly, this could be a medical issue. 

 

I had a friend who swore up and down that she had a healthy diet but she just. kept. gaining. weight. This went on for years. Of course, as a believer in calorie counting, I never believed her. She spent years going to doctors, until one finally found her issue and diagnosed her with Hashimoto's disease. He put her on medication for it, and without making a single lifestyle change, I saw the weight just melt off of her. So yes, sometimes there really is a legitimate medical issue that can prevent what should theoretically work for everyone from working. 

 

If you KNOW that your diet is in order, I would suggest seeing an endocrinologist. If you are unsure, I would follow the advice above to track your calories fanatically for a few weeks first to see if that gets you moving. 

Thanks, i am praying im sick in some way ( though i doubt it and i also pray its not serious!) that whole sentance shows just how desperate im getting!

 

 

I'd like to echo a few people above. You can't physically put on weight if you're eating a caloric deficit, which at your current weight of 276 lbs (yeah I googled) would be less than around 2300 (judicious guesswork on age and height here) just for your BMR, and maybe more like 3000 with your activity level. I'm sure at some point in your dieting you probably experimented with numbers less than this. However, with as many things as you've tried, how much time did you give each different diet attempt?

 

You listed 8 or 10 different diet alterations and said they happened over a few months. I don't think you gave any of them enough time. My advice would be to pick one that's sustainable and that works for you (sounds like you've had success with eating paleo), be balanced, don't think that all carbs are your enemy, and stick with it. Medically, people are only advised to lose about a pound a week, so it'll be slow going. But I think keeping a steady diet would help with multiple things here. I'd also recommend setting a weight loss goal using something like My Fitness Pal or IIFYM, and then using MFP to track your diet to make sure you're not grossly overeating without being aware.

 

 

Now on the medical issues (disclaimer: I'm a 2nd year med student, which basically means I know even less about medicine than when I started--so grain of salt). IF you're gaining weight despite your best efforts, the most common issues are hypothyroidism or hypercortisolism. Hypothyroidism is exceedingly common, with Hashimoto thyroiditis being one of the more common manifestations. Anything like that could alter your BMR. Increased cortisol has several causes, the most common of which being the use of oral corticosteroids. If that's the case, that's an easy fix. Of these two situations, you're much more likely to be hypothyroid. Diagnosing this is just a simple blood test. 

 

You also mentioned passing blood in your stool, and some food intolerances, which would point me toward irritable bowel syndrome (IBS). Please do NOT say you have celiac disease. I've heard way too many people saying they're "gluten intolerant" without having a damn clue how debilitating celiac actually is. That being said, IBS can manifest with some food sensitivities. (Reaching now, but you mentioned the whole weird pain tolerance thing. Could be a vitamin deficiency secondary to malabsorption caused by the IBS...like I said, reaching)

 

If you do have a sensitive bowel, altering your diet habits too frequently will most certainly cause issues. You also sound like you're somewhat self-conscious about your weight, and I can tell you that the number one risk factor for IBS is anxiety, and that people have flare ups when they're more anxious. So to circle back around: pick a plan and stick to it. Give yourself some constancy and some time to adjust. Don't worry about your weight--that only makes things worse. You've already lost 130 pounds, and that's amazing. Steady diet and exercise should produce steady (but slow) results, and this may help correct your bowel issues as well. If not--I think it would then be time to talk to a real doctor who isn't on a forum ;)

 

 

Im 33 years old and 6 foot 3 inches.

 

I also guessed my bmr at about 3000, i did check all my calories for a month and wrote everything i ate on my fitness pal, i averaged 2200 per day. I put on weight. I can out on 10 pounds from eating a cheeseburger and fries. no fucking joke, it happened to me. I KNOW its not 10 lbs fat, but wha the fuck is it then? and why?

thanks for the rest of your advice, ill take it all on board, i dont want a quick fix, i have lost 2 lbs in 5 months (ok, its been up and down) but still, how slow does it need to be? if it was a steady 1 lb a week, id be ecstatic.

 

i did give things some time and i actually kind of progressed from one to the others rather than jumping all over. so i started eating paleo but still ate potatoes and dairy. then stopped potatoes, then dairy, then caffeine, then pork (makes me gain weight and feel sleepy i think im sensitive to the lectins) then stopped veg, then beef and lamb, and now here i am TADAAA!

 

i went to the gym for two months, gained weight, stopped going, lost weight, seems like a no brainer to me!

 

My ex wife was a celiac, so i know im not, it was horrible for her (she was properly diagnosed, not just guessing!) my mother has crohns disease, maybe i do too?

 

so here it a glimpse at my fucked up weight, i track it regularly, started weekly and now daily, this will give you a glimpse into my life and how frustrating it is.

 

september 20th - 20 st 2

 

27th - 20 st 1 my waist here is 50 inches (today its 49 inches)

 

october

4th - 20 st

 

11th - 19st 11

 

24th - 19 st 9

 

november 16th - 19 st 5

 

therse a big jump due to my birthday, my mum and dads birthday, xmas, new year, my girlfriends birthday etc... i stopped weighing myself but kept eating fairly healthy.

 

february 22nd - 19st 11 ( not bad that after all the above excess i was not much higher!)

 

march 24th - 20st 7

25th - 20 st 5

26th  20st 2

27th  20st 0

28th  19st 11

29th 20st 1

30th 20st 3

31st 20st 5

 

april 1st - 20st 2

2nd 19st 10

3rd  19st 9

4th  19st 8

5th  19st 8

6th  19st 8

7th  19st 12

8th  19st 7

9th  19st 4

10th 19st 4

11th 19st 4

12th 19st 3

13th 19st 3

15th 19st 7

16th 19 st 10

 

now for the time i started weighing myslf daily, my eating habits havent changed, i ate the same thing day in day out except the last two days where as you know i ate cheese sandwiches and some cakes and ice cream

 

So, there it is so far. ill keep it updated, i have two chicken breasts and salmon for dinner. back to the grindstone as it were until i can figure this shit out!!!

 

Peace out peeps!

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Ok, from the logs it looks like your weight fluctuates a lot day-to-day.  That is almost certainly water weight.  Salty foods in particular make your body retain water, so a cheeseburger and fries can easily show up on the scales as  several pounds the next day.  That's not unique to you, it's true for everybody.  But as you can see, it  goes away a day or two later as your body purges the excess salt - those are the days you "lose" 3-4 lbs.  Looking at your log, you're actually trending downward pretty well - you've gone from around 20 stone to about 19 stone 5 over the past month, once you average out the fluctuations.  Don't stress about weighing 19st 10 yesterday - that's probably water and your "true" weight is probably close to the 19st 3 you were at a couple days ago.  So that's somewhere around 10 lbs. lost over the past month, and is probably actual fat loss.  That's actually a very good pace for fat loss over the course of a month.

 

So it kind of looks like you have already figured it out, and you just need to keep doing what you've been doing for the past month or so.  Keep daily calorie logs and exercise logs and see where you're at in a month.  If the day-to-day fluctuations bother you, try to keep a handle on your salt intake.  You might try joining in the six-week challenge (just started this week, so you haven't missed much) to help you stay on track with your exercise routine and calorie limits if you're worried about getting frustrated with it.

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Its been up and down like this for 5 months, you're only seeing a small part of what I have recorded.

Its able to jump up a stone in a few days but take Weeks to go back down. Then it jumps back up, cheat or not.

Plus, its too little surely for this weight.I'm eating well and healthily but its hardly moving unless I make it go up first. Its great to say I lost a stone quickly but it goes up just a quickly with much less effort.

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Its been up and down like this for 5 months, you're only seeing a small part of what I have recorded.

Its able to jump up a stone in a few days but take Weeks to go back down. Then it jumps back up, cheat or not.

Plus, its too little surely for this weight.I'm eating well and healthily but its hardly moving unless I make it go up first. Its great to say I lost a stone quickly but it goes up just a quickly with much less effort.

 

That's how it goes - you gain weight easier than you lose it.  You mentioned quite a few holidays/birthdays in there - those events can be enough to take you off your plan and slow down your weight loss.  And 10 lbs. in a month isn't too slow at all - it's probably about medium-high in the range of healthy weight loss, and works out to about a 1000 calorie/day deficit.  And since 2000 to 2200 calories probably represents about a 1000 calorie deficit for an active man your size, I'm inclined to think that the system is working perfecly.

 

I get that it's frustrating, but weight loss can be like that, and it's really easy to get yourself off track without realizing it.  I believe that you've been going up and down, and that you've been trying to eat healthy for that whole time.  And I'm not ruling out the possibility that I'm wrong.  But your log for the past month suggests that you've lost around 10 lbs. of real body weight (as opposed to water).  First, feel good about that - it's an accomplishment, even if you're not at your goal yet.  Then, try doing the same thing for the next month to make sure you're not giving up on it too quickly.  As I suggested earlier, track everything religiously.  If you keep your diet in the 2000 calorie range and you continue to lose weight, then you know what you need to do going forward.  If you track everything and confirm that your diet is staying in the 2000 calorie range and you don't lose weight, then it's time to go back to the drawing board.

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6 months on and im now 19 stone 3 lbs. Everythings changed. I cant lose any more weight. I am full paleo, have been for months now. It is no longer working. I thought id hit a plateu so i mixed things up. in the last few months i have tried: (not in this order)

counting calories (My PT sister advised me i might not be eating enough) - didnt work

cut out dairy, caffeine, wheat and sugar in all forms, grains, i mean STRICT FULL PALEO - didnt work

i ate just eggs, chicken and fish - didnt work.

Stopped cheating at the weekend ( i would have one meal of what ever i wanted) - didnt work

tried intermittent fasting - didnt work

tried eating just meat - didnt work

cut out potatoes and other starchy veg - didnt work

going to the gym 3 times a week, followed starting strength beginners program, whilst all of the above- put on weight, didnt work (and dont tell me it could be muscle, i know that, but im not putting on 3 lbs of muscle a week eating basically nothing.)

 

In fact, some of these made my weight go back up to 20stone 10 lbs!!!! (290lbs!!!)

 

So basically, yesterday i got so fucking depressed (i just lost the house i was hoping to move into) i ate whatever i liked. I had cheese and coleslaw sandwhiches, hot cross buns (easter YAY!!!) scones with jam and ben and jerrys karma-sutra ice cream! (it was FUCKING awesome)

 

Would you be able to include a accurate food day? So, any snacks, any drinks (even milk in a tea or coffee). Also, how much went in on the 'fucking depressed' day?

 

Meal 1 3 eggs and 120g smoked salmon  meal 2 1/2 a whole roast chicken  meal 3 1/2 a whole roast chicken and 120g smoked salmon or 200g smoked mackeral.

Meal 1 = 500kcal ish, 925 ishg in halkf a roast chicken so 1851 from the chicken, so another 150-200 in the smoked salmon, mackrel 200ish if moist, maybe 250 if dry

So 2,550 (rough estimate), assuming no snacks (any kind, even down to carrot sticks), no extra sugar, no drinks or booze, no milk, honey, and the roast chicken has no flavourings of any calorific amount, butter etc.

 

I would offer that the meals are not the problem. The portions are. Swap 1/2 a whole roast chicken down to 1/4, with a pile of veg maybe?

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Im going to see a doctor but i can tell you, i eat at a defecit. right now i eat the same thing every day (pretty much sometimes i switch things round but the portion/food is the same)  Meal 1 3 eggs and 120g smoked salmon  meal 2 1/2 a whole roast chicken  meal 3 1/2 a whole roast chicken and 120g smoked salmon or 200g smoked mackeral. Tell me where the shennanigans is in that? Its not bullshit either. i wouldnt bother my time after all these months coming here telling people and begging for help and ideas if i was eating fried chicken and pizza on the sly. I know you dont mean any offenc, i dont either and i havent taken any to your words, i thank you for your time to respond and i agree that eating too much of anything causes weight gain, but im just not doing that. i promise.

 

Eating at a deficit is not defined by an online calculator, it is defined by weight loss. If you aren't losing weigh then you are eating at maintenance or a surplus. Period. This is simply a matter of physics more than anything. If you are putting in fewer calories than you are using throughout the day then your body will eat a little bit of itself to stay alive.

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First of all, don't take this the wrong way; you seem to have taken a lot of advice from and built up a losing weight worldview from other fat people. Its might be a good idea to be a bit more selective with whose advice you deem to have value.

I see no mention of strength training except for maybe that line about going to the gym, but it caused you to gain weight so you stopped.

You Are Not Different, the same rules apply to you that apply to everybody else.

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Waldo has it correct, as does The Stranger who's provided a wealth of detailed analysis of your info. Looking at it leads me to believe the same things: you are losing weight at a fairly good clip, though it's masked by water weight fluctuations (especially when you cheat).

Keep in mind, low-carb paleoheads tend to see much higher fluctuations in weight when they cheat than other dieters. This is because water weight is heavily tied to muscle glycogen, an energy system in your body that relies heavily on carbs for its fuel. (It is for this reason that the adage "carbs = energy" exists.) You eat some carbs, your body sucks them up along with extra water to put glycogen in your muscles because right now you have next to none, and then it slowly sheds over the course of a week or two because you're not maintaining your carb intake. That's how water weight works. And that's why people say "the scale lies."

Sounds like you're doing fine. Start counting calories again, stop freaking out and cheating (or just add more carbs into your diet), and accept that most people can't lose more than 2.5 lbs a week.

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Ignore El Exorsisto. Please. Calories in/calories out paradigm doesn't work. It's an out-moded approach to weight-loss and fitness.

 

Forst of all remember; you've acheived something else few people in the world haven't, and tens of millions wish they could. A massive success to be proud of.

 

You went from 20st 7 (287) to 19st 3 (269) in 19 days. That's a phenominal success. It doesn't look like you've really stalled at al. It seems like you got frustrated and disappointed because you put on a few pounds on the 14th, and binged a bit. Most of us have been there. Carbs are insisdious. They can lead to massive mood swings. Most of us who have been very overweight have a history of using carbs to regulate mood. Then they make you want more carbs. I want to punch sugar in the nuts.

 

I have to take a laxative every night for an unrelated medical condition, and as so I can actaully very easily track my exact weight because I know every morning my digestive tract is empty. I can easily gain 6 pounds in a day, and overnight I have often lost 4 or 5 pounds evacuating. This is just material stored in my digestive tract and bloodstream and doesn't represent fat gain.

 

In someone whose bathromom schedule is not as regular as mine, knowing your exact weight is difficult and prone to great fluctuation.

 

It's easy to get frustrated over short-term setbacks... but I don't even think this was one - looking at the numbers you provided.

 

I might be stretching a bit too far, but we're in this for the long haul - eating healthily and being fit. Some days are good, some aren't. Try not to beat yourself up.

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Ignore El Exorsisto. Please. Calories in/calories out paradigm doesn't work. It's an out-moded approach to weight-loss and fitness.

 

Forst of all remember; you've acheived something else few people in the world haven't, and tens of millions wish they could. A massive success to be proud of.

 

You went from 20st 7 (287) to 19st 3 (269) in 19 days. That's a phenominal success. It doesn't look like you've really stalled at al. It seems like you got frustrated and disappointed because you put on a few pounds on the 14th, and binged a bit. Most of us have been there. Carbs are insisdious. They can lead to massive mood swings. Most of us who have been very overweight have a history of using carbs to regulate mood. Then they make you want more carbs. I want to punch sugar in the nuts.

 

I have to take a laxative every night for an unrelated medical condition, and as so I can actaully very easily track my exact weight because I know every morning my digestive tract is empty. I can easily gain 6 pounds in a day, and overnight I have often lost 4 or 5 pounds evacuating. This is just material stored in my digestive tract and bloodstream and doesn't represent fat gain.

 

In someone whose bathromom schedule is not as regular as mine, knowing your exact weight is difficult and prone to great fluctuation.

 

It's easy to get frustrated over short-term setbacks... but I don't even think this was one - looking at the numbers you provided.

 

I might be stretching a bit too far, but we're in this for the long haul - eating healthily and being fit. Some days are good, some aren't. Try not to beat yourself up.

 

Go on about this out-moded approach you speak of. Please inform every bodybuilder that has been on stage about it as well. Perhaps the fighters that need to make weight for a bout? Don't forget about the Victoria's Secret models too.

 

My sympathies for your digestive upset, but it seems you should double your dose of laxative. You are quite obviously still full.

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That's how it goes - you gain weight easier than you lose it.  You mentioned quite a few holidays/birthdays in there - those events can be enough to take you off your plan and slow down your weight loss.  And 10 lbs. in a month isn't too slow at all - it's probably about medium-high in the range of healthy weight loss, and works out to about a 1000 calorie/day deficit.  And since 2000 to 2200 calories probably represents about a 1000 calorie deficit for an active man your size, I'm inclined to think that the system is working perfecly.

 

I get that it's frustrating, but weight loss can be like that, and it's really easy to get yourself off track without realizing it.  I believe that you've been going up and down, and that you've been trying to eat healthy for that whole time.  And I'm not ruling out the possibility that I'm wrong.  But your log for the past month suggests that you've lost around 10 lbs. of real body weight (as opposed to water).  First, feel good about that - it's an accomplishment, even if you're not at your goal yet.  Then, try doing the same thing for the next month to make sure you're not giving up on it too quickly.  As I suggested earlier, track everything religiously.  If you keep your diet in the 2000 calorie range and you continue to lose weight, then you know what you need to do going forward.  If you track everything and confirm that your diet is staying in the 2000 calorie range and you don't lose weight, then it's time to go back to the drawing board.

Thanks, this is exactly what im going to do, track everything and stick to 2000 calories, then see what i get, whilst ie done this before without success it was with cheat days (well one) and with eg, dairy etc... ill see what happens

 

Would you be able to include a accurate food day? So, any snacks, any drinks (even milk in a tea or coffee). Also, how much went in on the 'fucking depressed' day?

 

Meal 1 3 eggs and 120g smoked salmon  meal 2 1/2 a whole roast chicken  meal 3 1/2 a whole roast chicken and 120g smoked salmon or 200g smoked mackeral.

Meal 1 = 500kcal ish, 925 ishg in halkf a roast chicken so 1851 from the chicken, so another 150-200 in the smoked salmon, mackrel 200ish if moist, maybe 250 if dry

So 2,550 (rough estimate), assuming no snacks (any kind, even down to carrot sticks), no extra sugar, no drinks or booze, no milk, honey, and the roast chicken has no flavourings of any calorific amount, butter etc.

 

I would offer that the meals are not the problem. The portions are. Swap 1/2 a whole roast chicken down to 1/4, with a pile of veg maybe?

 

i think your estimates are a bit high! i weighed he chicken i ate, just meat, from the legs and the breast and it comes in at an aaerage of 1000 calories for the entire bird, chickens at your house must be a bit bigger than at mine!

 

makes my calorie intake much lower, no?

Eating at a deficit is not defined by an online calculator, it is defined by weight loss. If you aren't losing weigh then you are eating at maintenance or a surplus. Period. This is simply a matter of physics more than anything. If you are putting in fewer calories than you are using throughout the day then your body will eat a little bit of itself to stay alive.

this is with out a doubt my favourite response in that it says so much in such a succinct way. thanks, i already had this in my mind but its nice to see to see it written down. i disagree that calories in/out works but thats because the FIGURES used are often wrong, not the equation. Also not all calories are created equal! Its too much of a simplistic approach to a complicated issue BUT the science is sound, its the INDIVIDUALS that are difficult. Its why it doesnt work in general, but also does work in practice, its FINDING YOUR LEVEL thats most difficult and realising that your level also CHANGES as much as daily/weekly. Also the quality of calories put in also changed this LEVEL. Its way too simple for a lot of people, if it worked as its being touted as the leading weight loss paradigm in the world, we wouldnt be as fat as a species as we are. i think the second sentance should say "if you are putting in fewer NUTRIENTS than you are using..." to me that makes a much better statement. As great as science is, its applied and tested by PEOPLE, who are flawed to say the least. All science that points towards calories in/out probably ( i havent researched so i am guessing, see what people do here!) only takes into account calorie amounts in the research as its main focus, not nutrient amounts. Its this difference that has shown in recent times that low carb diets work best, its the nutrients, not the calories that makes the difference, but i believe calories plays an important secondary role in it.

 

First of all, don't take this the wrong way; you seem to have taken a lot of advice from and built up a losing weight worldview from other fat people. Its might be a good idea to be a bit more selective with whose advice you deem to have value.

I see no mention of strength training except for maybe that line about going to the gym, but it caused you to gain weight so you stopped.

You Are Not Different, the same rules apply to you that apply to everybody else.

 

great article, thanks, but EVERYONE is different. Just not as different as wed like!

Waldo has it correct, as does The Stranger who's provided a wealth of detailed analysis of your info. Looking at it leads me to believe the same things: you are losing weight at a fairly good clip, though it's masked by water weight fluctuations (especially when you cheat).

Keep in mind, low-carb paleoheads tend to see much higher fluctuations in weight when they cheat than other dieters. This is because water weight is heavily tied to muscle glycogen, an energy system in your body that relies heavily on carbs for its fuel. (It is for this reason that the adage "carbs = energy" exists.) You eat some carbs, your body sucks them up along with extra water to put glycogen in your muscles because right now you have next to none, and then it slowly sheds over the course of a week or two because you're not maintaining your carb intake. That's how water weight works. And that's why people say "the scale lies."

Sounds like you're doing fine. Start counting calories again, stop freaking out and cheating (or just add more carbs into your diet), and accept that most people can't lose more than 2.5 lbs a week.

will do, and i have refocused, i think whilst the calorie estimates were too high i also probably estimated wrongly, no more estimates for me!

 

Ignore El Exorsisto. Please. Calories in/calories out paradigm doesn't work. It's an out-moded approach to weight-loss and fitness.

 

Forst of all remember; you've acheived something else few people in the world haven't, and tens of millions wish they could. A massive success to be proud of.

 

You went from 20st 7 (287) to 19st 3 (269) in 19 days. That's a phenominal success. It doesn't look like you've really stalled at al. It seems like you got frustrated and disappointed because you put on a few pounds on the 14th, and binged a bit. Most of us have been there. Carbs are insisdious. They can lead to massive mood swings. Most of us who have been very overweight have a history of using carbs to regulate mood. Then they make you want more carbs. I want to punch sugar in the nuts.

 

I have to take a laxative every night for an unrelated medical condition, and as so I can actaully very easily track my exact weight because I know every morning my digestive tract is empty. I can easily gain 6 pounds in a day, and overnight I have often lost 4 or 5 pounds evacuating. This is just material stored in my digestive tract and bloodstream and doesn't represent fat gain.

 

In someone whose bathromom schedule is not as regular as mine, knowing your exact weight is difficult and prone to great fluctuation.

 

It's easy to get frustrated over short-term setbacks... but I don't even think this was one - looking at the numbers you provided.

 

I might be stretching a bit too far, but we're in this for the long haul - eating healthily and being fit. Some days are good, some aren't. Try not to beat yourself up.

 

thanks for the reply, i agree with it in part, see my comments on el exorcisto above, though i believe you are both right and wrong.

Go on about this out-moded approach you speak of. Please inform every bodybuilder that has been on stage about it as well. Perhaps the fighters that need to make weight for a bout? Don't forget about the Victoria's Secret models too.

 

My sympathies for your digestive upset, but it seems you should double your dose of laxative. You are quite obviously still full.

 

unfortunately you have picked some very specific catorgories of athlete and person in a tiny percentage of the population. Please inform every fat person, overweight person that has tried calories in/out about your approach and the success the tiny percentage you picked has. Wait! we do that already and it still hasnt helped. The people you picked are specific types, Abbey Clancy ( a english model) regularly states she has been in a gym for years and eats what she likes, Jay cutler (and lots of body builders) use steroids and are genetically gifted, fighters too have higher muscle percentages even BEFORE they became fighters, its what makes them great at what they do.

 

Even if you found 1 person per day for the rest of your life that it worked for, it would still be less than 1% of the overweight population, i bet you could find more it didnt work for, and blaming them all for not doing it right is just wrong too, i know, ive been there.

 

also, not nice to insult someone personally, stick to pulling apart their opinions with careful thought out reasoning.

Stop posting please.  Science is never out-moded.

 

science changes daily, new discoveries are made all the time, often science changes and whilst if your intention was to point out that science is never out moded as it evolves constantly, i agree, but the data it collects and uses becomes out moded all the time!

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