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Hi,

 

This is my first post here at nerd fitness although i am an avid reader of the site and LOVE the articles posted by steve, staci et al.

 

Im not one that usually needs comraderie, support or friends to rally round, im pretty motivated, have high will power (you will see what i mean later in the post) and a real drive to succeed in things i do (as long as i like them, otherwise, forget it!) BUT

 

Im totally lost now.

 

See 3 years ago i weighed in at a massive 28 stone 7 lbs, for the yanks out there (im english) thats 399 pounds. I was one fat dude. And i was never sure why really, my diet was not the worst. I would watch programs on tv about obese people and think "I wish i ate all the shit they do and the fucker weighs less than me" (please excuse the cursing, in my childish brain i like doing it, A LOT!)

 

I have been to see the doctors about my weight numerous times and the abnormal way i put it on and keep it on, all to no avail, they look at me, see fat and lazy and tell me to stick to a diet and exercise more. The nhs is unable to see past this as are most governments.

 

To give you an example of my problem and their response i once went on holiday for 2 weeks. I gain 2 stone (28 lbs) and went to tthe doctor. He told me i ate too much. I asked him if he thought it was possible to eat the extra 7000 calories despite not eating lunch, swimming 2 hours a day and using the gym five times whilst walking hours each day exploring the city i was visitng, including the mountains and all he could say was "well you must have done" Believe me when i say, i did not.

 

Well skip forward a bit, im in love, due to get married this year, but my weight loss story starts way before that. I decided at some point, to try and lose weight. I tried many things, some worked, some didnt. I like to read, i have a high iq, i decided to learn everything i could and was determined to lose weight. And i did. I dropped weight, hitting milestone after milestone until 6 months ago.

 

I reached 19 stone 5 lbs (271 lbs) this, i know, is a massive acheiment, i have lost more weight than some people will ever need to.

 

And then something changed. it had been happening for a while, it was a massive struggle to get under 20 stone (280 lbs) and i had become more and more interested in paleo. I read nerd fitness, i thought i would explode at the the information here, i was so happy to have found it. i read wheat belly, good calories, bad calories, the paleao soloution by rob wolff, marks daily apple and his bok (cant remember the title) i watched fat head (A great film!) and strarted assimilating all the info i could get.

 

A little more about me, i have always had stomach issues, terrible cramps sometimes, i pass blood (but the doctors dont know why and why it is only sometimes, i can go months without it happening) some of it seems linked to diet (pizza and indian food can make me feel like dying instead of the pain and I have a very high threshold. I broke my ankle in 3 places and walked and drove on it (its my right ankle too) without ever having it properly set (im gonna pay for that in later life) i used to stub ciggarettes and matches out on my arms as a party trick (not to self harm) for my friends as they were amazed at my lack of pain and often stick my hands in fires ( i have a log burner) and hold hot things without problem or scarring.

 

I have gout, in both ankles, it runs in my family, so i already watch what i eat and dont drink much at all, ive had it since 24 but never really drank a lot before due to bad experiences and being a bit of a dick when drunk (i apparently have tried to strangle a few ex girlfriends whilst drunk, which, considering how nice i am in sober life, is a bit scary) and once german suplexed my friend on concrete "for a laugh" he was not smiling. (he forgave me!) so i know its not that.

 

Wow, i got lost there, let me get back on track.

 

6 months on and im now 19 stone 3 lbs. Everythings changed. I cant lose any more weight. I am full paleo, have been for months now. It is no longer working. I thought id hit a plateu so i mixed things up. in the last few months i have tried: (not in this order)

counting calories (My PT sister advised me i might not be eating enough) - didnt work

cut out dairy, caffeine, wheat and sugar in all forms, grains, i mean STRICT FULL PALEO - didnt work

i ate just eggs, chicken and fish - didnt work.

Stopped cheating at the weekend ( i would have one meal of what ever i wanted) - didnt work

tried intermittent fasting - didnt work

tried eating just meat - didnt work

cut out potatoes and other starchy veg - didnt work

going to the gym 3 times a week, followed starting strength beginners program, whilst all of the above- put on weight, didnt work (and dont tell me it could be muscle, i know that, but im not putting on 3 lbs of muscle a week eating basically nothing.)

 

In fact, some of these made my weight go back up to 20stone 10 lbs!!!! (290lbs!!!)

 

So basically, yesterday i got so fucking depressed (i just lost the house i was hoping to move into) i ate whatever i liked. I had cheese and coleslaw sandwhiches, hot cross buns (easter YAY!!!) scones with jam and ben and jerrys karma-sutra ice cream! (it was FUCKING awesome)

 

What else should you know about me?

 

In my job (im a dog groomer/dog walker) i walk 2 hours five days a week, i lift heavy dogs as im a large breed specialist and im now totally unsure what to do.

 

I have eaetn just eggs chicken and fish for two weeks, total weight loss 1lb. im 33 years old and 6 foot 3 inches

 

Im now begining to wonder if its worth it.

 

Any thoughts or help or am i just fucked.

:)

 

Today i am not surprsied my wieight shows 19stone 10lbs (cant be bothered to convert this right now, please ask google or your favourite search engine, or google)

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Welcome to NerdFitness!

 

I am sorry to hear about your bad experiences with the docs--believe me, I can share some crazy stories, too!  If you are eating well and working out but unable to earn weight, it's a sign that something is wrong.  

 

Possible problems:

(1) Allergies.  My sister didn't discover her gluten allergy for quite some time, and she's still discovering new food allergies.  (For her, this means stomach aches, severe weight loss, bloody stool/urine, rashes, etc.  This is different for different people and allergies, though.)  You may be ingesting things that you are allergic to, and the weight gain might be the result of chronic inflammation/exposure to those allergens.  

(2) Illness.  You could have a chronic illness unrelated to allergies that has a similar effect on the body.  

(3) Hormonal imbalances.  I have a friend who had to get her thyroid removed because it kept sending out excessive weight gain hormones.  She, like you, had a healthy diet and exercised often, but was still obese.

(4) Nutrition deficiencies.  I'm not sure a missing vitamin could fix your system, but it can certainly affect your health and energy levels, etc.

 

There are other possibilities, of course, but simple tests should be able to check hormone levels and allergies.  Illnesses linked to this will probably be a little harder to pinpoint.  My recommendation is to find a better doctor!  Family doctors and general practitioners may not be able to help in unusual cases like yours.  You can often find docs who specialize in gastroenterology and are significantly more helpful than the guy who wouldn't listen to you :/

 

In the meantime, I'd recommend keeping a food diary.  If you have any unusual reactions after a meal, write them down; you might be able to pinpoint a food allergy or intolerance in doing so, and you might find a diet that works best for you.  Also, you don't mention your vegetable intake up there.  Veggies are great.  Eat as many as you can; it will decrease your calorie intake and increase the good nutrients that your body needs.

 

Last point: breathe.  It'll be okay.  I know the journey is rough, but it is totally worth it!  You've made amazing progress already, and you've really worked hard for it.  Getting to be the best that you can be is worth every struggle.

 

Good luck to you, Colby!  

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Thanks for the replies

 

My doctor has checked my thyroid over the years, never reported a problem but in honesty, i wouldnt trust a doctor to know his arse from his elbow. You would not believe the amount of idiot doctors i have met over the years, im yet to meet one that i feel actually knows what they are talking about and whilst not a doctor (obviously) i know a thing or two about a)myself and b)the nhs to know they would rather push me out the dor than spend their precious time trying to actually figure out whats wrong with me. My mother suffered for 30 years with crohns disease without diagnosis, i suffered 4 years agony with gout because the doctors didnt know what they were doing. bottom line, i trust a doctor as much as i trust the government. not at all. (sorry for the rant but i have just come back from the doctor with my girlfriend and i am about to literally punch our doctor for the way he is, such a moron!)

 

I realise that thyroid is rare(ish) and that it can hapen at any time, so maybe i might be able to calm down long enough to go see him about a test.

 

Also, there a few doctors where i live and ive seen a few already and the rest are just as bad ( so ive been told by their patients) it might seem that it is I that has the problem not they and maybe thats right, i have deep seated mistrust issues after doctor mess ups killed my grandfather, almost killed my mother twice and put my father in hospital for a month, all due to doctor error or misdiagnosis, so i think its a little justified. When i broke my ankle in 3 places, i refused to go to hospital, when i finally did the doctor told me i needed an operation, i point blank told him no chance and left.

 

Alergies - i realise its possible and also not out of the ordinary I wouldnt know where to begin but i dont eat wheat as a rule (eating paleo and all) but i might have alergies to other stuff too but having gout is already a little restrictive so i am not sure where to go with that!

Illness-  again, doctors, see above! My mother has chrohns disease so i could too, i dont know if that would have an impact. My father has a calcium problem that he had some gland removed when i was a kid (almost killed him cos they messed up, see above) he now has calcium deposits on his heart. Diabetes also runs in my family but i am tested fairly regularly (every time i see a doctor)

Hormones - i wouldnt rule it out!

Nutrition - again, i eat well now, and i dont eat veg at the moment but i read a lot about all meat cultures and im not worried about vitamin deficiency. If this had started when i stopped eating veg i might worry, but i was eating plenty when it started so go figure!

 

I kept a food diary for two months, i used my fitness pal (or whatever on my phone) and kept within 2200 calories a day. I put weight on. no shit, no lie, no sleep eating, no secret snacking, im as dedicatd as i can be, i wish i was deluded and my girlfriend did think i was, until she saw everything i ate (we work together too so we dont always spend a great deal of time apart!) and even she cant believe it,

 

1 week i ate only 2000 calories a day for 5 days, then shifted down to 600 calories for two days. result? put on 2 pound. Fucking incredible.

 

i may just have to look for a specialist but here in the uk i think ill have to have my prick GP refer me, last time i asked for that, it took him two months to do the refferal, then wait weeks for an appointment, ill be brain dead by then!!!

 

I will admit that right now im as stressed as i think i have ever been in my life. Its a real rough time for me stress wise, but actually life is pretty good! But the stress of dealing with my general life, plus this - its damn near driving me to drink. I know i need to relieve it somehow but im fucked if i know how! What makes it worse is the progress i have made and the fact everything i have done no longer helps or works!

 

Excuse my rants, im usually totally happy go lucky, go with the flow but right now? Im in a state.

 

What if i go to the doctor and he tells me nothing is wrong with me? Ive had this SO many times before, im not sure i can do it again and still weight this much. If i wasnt so damn hungry i swear id try anorexia!

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You seem to be in a difficult situation, I feel for you.

 

Even though I have never been seriously overweight, I can give you some general tips:

- Eat a lot of vegetables, different colors usually means different vitamins. In my country it is advised to vary the color of vegetables as much as possible. As a start, you can try 2 or 3 colors of vegetables a day. This provides you with a lot of needed vitamins. You might have some serious deficits in vitamins if you only ate meat, fish and eggs for some time.

- Eat some nuts, meat, eggs and fish, and try to vary as much as possible. The advise of the paleo-diet is 2/3 vegetables, 1/3 protein (in volume).

- Look at your diet before you hit a plateau and when you still lost weight. How many kcal did you eat then? Try to eat the same amount of kcal in the next few weeks.

- Eat breakfast every day, and 1-2 additional meals. If possible, don't snack. There's usually a lot of calories in snacks, especially if you did not prepare them yourself. You need energy to keep yourself going and to feel good. Eating a few "big" meals is more fulfilling than snacking all day long, and usually does not give you as many calories.

- Ask your friends/colleagues if they know a good doctor or nutritionist. There are good doctors out there and they will be better at telling you what to do than random people on the internet. We can give general advise on how to eat healthy, but every person is different and like said before, there can be an illness/hormonal issue that's causing you to plateau. A good doctor or nutritionist will help you get better and will give you personal advise.

- Make an appointment with a doctor or nutritionist within the next week. Unless you can think of a VERY good reason not to. And no, trying other approaches on your own is not a good reason. Also, not trusting any doctor is not an option for you. You don't have that luxury at the moment. You can always find an excuse to not make an appointment (busy week, no time, etc.). If you don't do it next week, then will you ever do it?

- Try to find a way to deal with the stress. Stress is good for no one, and many people (myself included) will eat more when stressed. For me, yoga helps, but for you gaming, meditation or a walk in the park may help better.

- Think about starting an exercise program. Walking for two hours every day is good, but you might want to start strength training (either lifting or body weight training) or some sort of cardio. This can make you feel that you are actively loosing weight and has a positive effect on your mental health. Just be careful to not injure yourself though (if you're going to a doctor, you may ask him/her what kind of exercise you may do).

 

Good luck!

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Re Crohn's Disease.... I have that too, and from what I know of it there is a weak genetic link.  But I think the only part of your story that that might explain is this bit:

 

i have always had stomach issues, terrible cramps sometimes, i pass blood (but the doctors dont know why and why it is only sometimes, i can go months without it happening) some of it seems linked to diet (pizza and indian food can make me feel like dying instead of the pain and I have a very high threshold.

 

But it wouldn't explain the rest of your symptoms.  And generally someone with active Crohn's Disease is likely to have little appetite due to constant pain and they usually end up losing a lot of weight.

 

Some of your figures for your weight fluctuations sound very odd to me.  How are you measuring and tracking?  How reliable are your scales?  Scales can "lie", not least because it's not unusual for people's weight to vary by as much as half a stone or even more depending on the time of day/week.  Better, more objective measurements can be taken with a tape measure, and a sense of how your clothes fit.  That's when I can feel my weight go up a little or down a little - whether certain items of clothing feel looser or tighter.  Often when I was losing my excess weight I'd feel the difference in my clothing before the scale would move.

 

Gaining two stone in two weeks just doesn't seem possible to me, even assuming that the "before" measurement was at your lightest and the "after" at your heaviest of the natural fluctuations in weight that we all have.  I'm no expert, but I'm not aware of any kind of medical condition that would cause that level of weight gain.  Did you feel any kind of difference in your clothing fit during that time, because that sounds much more like a tracking/recording error to me.   How do you measure and track your weight at the moment?  Do you just use scales (and just one set), do you track measurements, do you write down the numbers?

 

It's tricky dealing with doctors.  Something I read somewhere about GPs which resonated with me is that they're not trained to treat people with unusual or serious illness, but to spot people who have them and then refer them on to experts.  Crohn's Disease is difficult to diagnose and easy to mistake for IBS, and I'd imagine that Gout is really rare, and so might also be hard to pick up on.  Something I've learned about Doctors is that they respect facts and figures and objective measurement much more than subjective memories or impressions or whatever.  Presenting a doctor with food diaries, with charts showing weight loss, effort made etc will show him or her that you're absolutely serious in what you're trying to do, and are more likely to refer you on.  Believe it or not, the NHS would love to help you and invest in helping you achieve a healthy weight *now*, because if it doesn't, it's going to cost it a hell of a lot more later.  You're a good candidate for that support if you can prove that you've been trying hard by yourself and making progress.

 

Problem is, I think a lot of doctors hear the same thing from a lot of people - there's something different and wrong with me about why I can't lose weight beyond the reasons why everyone finds it very difficult.  How do they tell apart those for whom this is true due to an unusual medical problem, and those who are lying to them, or decieving themselves, or just plain wrong?  One option might just to be to say that you're determined to lose weight, you've done x and y and achieve z already, what extra help can they offer - perhaps a referral to a dietician or a nutritionist?  If there is something wrong with you as you suspect, they're far more likely to spot it and to be aware of what to do next.

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You seem to be in a difficult situation, I feel for you.

 

Even though I have never been seriously overweight, I can give you some general tips:

- Eat a lot of vegetables, different colors usually means different vitamins. In my country it is advised to vary the color of vegetables as much as possible. As a start, you can try 2 or 3 colors of vegetables a day. This provides you with a lot of needed vitamins. You might have some serious deficits in vitamins if you only ate meat, fish and eggs for some time.

- Eat some nuts, meat, eggs and fish, and try to vary as much as possible. The advise of the paleo-diet is 2/3 vegetables, 1/3 protein (in volume).

- Look at your diet before you hit a plateau and when you still lost weight. How many kcal did you eat then? Try to eat the same amount of kcal in the next few weeks.

- Eat breakfast every day, and 1-2 additional meals. If possible, don't snack. There's usually a lot of calories in snacks, especially if you did not prepare them yourself. You need energy to keep yourself going and to feel good. Eating a few "big" meals is more fulfilling than snacking all day long, and usually does not give you as many calories.

- Ask your friends/colleagues if they know a good doctor or nutritionist. There are good doctors out there and they will be better at telling you what to do than random people on the internet. We can give general advise on how to eat healthy, but every person is different and like said before, there can be an illness/hormonal issue that's causing you to plateau. A good doctor or nutritionist will help you get better and will give you personal advise.

- Make an appointment with a doctor or nutritionist within the next week. Unless you can think of a VERY good reason not to. And no, trying other approaches on your own is not a good reason. Also, not trusting any doctor is not an option for you. You don't have that luxury at the moment. You can always find an excuse to not make an appointment (busy week, no time, etc.). If you don't do it next week, then will you ever do it?

- Try to find a way to deal with the stress. Stress is good for no one, and many people (myself included) will eat more when stressed. For me, yoga helps, but for you gaming, meditation or a walk in the park may help better.

- Think about starting an exercise program. Walking for two hours every day is good, but you might want to start strength training (either lifting or body weight training) or some sort of cardio. This can make you feel that you are actively loosing weight and has a positive effect on your mental health. Just be careful to not injure yourself though (if you're going to a doctor, you may ask him/her what kind of exercise you may do).

 

Good luck!

Thanks for your reply, ive had some internet issues and laptop issues and helath issues blah blah blah, the list goes on, but ie been reading replies all the time on my phone, thanks to everyone

 

i have eliminated veg from my diet, only because whilst trying to diet i had less success whilst eating veg than without it! im still not well and cant feel upto mentioning all the points you raised but suffice to say i tried some and it didnt work for me,

 

i have decided to get pretty "anal" on the whole thing and tie myself right down to 2000 kcal of good quality protein a day and see hpw that goes, im still cutting out caffeine, milk, dairy etc... but now im really checking how much calories im consuming.

 

as for the doctor, i have just written a complaint to them and i am seeking a new doctor as we speak, i plan to go to them with all the data i have been tracking and see what they think.

 

 

 

 

Re Crohn's Disease.... I have that too, and from what I know of it there is a weak genetic link.  But I think the only part of your story that that might explain is this bit:

 

i have always had stomach issues, terrible cramps sometimes, i pass blood (but the doctors dont know why and why it is only sometimes, i can go months without it happening) some of it seems linked to diet (pizza and indian food can make me feel like dying instead of the pain and I have a very high threshold.

 

But it wouldn't explain the rest of your symptoms.  And generally someone with active Crohn's Disease is likely to have little appetite due to constant pain and they usually end up losing a lot of weight.

 

Some of your figures for your weight fluctuations sound very odd to me.  How are you measuring and tracking?  How reliable are your scales?  Scales can "lie", not least because it's not unusual for people's weight to vary by as much as half a stone or even more depending on the time of day/week.  Better, more objective measurements can be taken with a tape measure, and a sense of how your clothes fit.  That's when I can feel my weight go up a little or down a little - whether certain items of clothing feel looser or tighter.  Often when I was losing my excess weight I'd feel the difference in my clothing before the scale would move.

 

Gaining two stone in two weeks just doesn't seem possible to me, even assuming that the "before" measurement was at your lightest and the "after" at your heaviest of the natural fluctuations in weight that we all have.  I'm no expert, but I'm not aware of any kind of medical condition that would cause that level of weight gain.  Did you feel any kind of difference in your clothing fit during that time, because that sounds much more like a tracking/recording error to me.   How do you measure and track your weight at the moment?  Do you just use scales (and just one set), do you track measurements, do you write down the numbers?

 

It's tricky dealing with doctors.  Something I read somewhere about GPs which resonated with me is that they're not trained to treat people with unusual or serious illness, but to spot people who have them and then refer them on to experts.  Crohn's Disease is difficult to diagnose and easy to mistake for IBS, and I'd imagine that Gout is really rare, and so might also be hard to pick up on.  Something I've learned about Doctors is that they respect facts and figures and objective measurement much more than subjective memories or impressions or whatever.  Presenting a doctor with food diaries, with charts showing weight loss, effort made etc will show him or her that you're absolutely serious in what you're trying to do, and are more likely to refer you on.  Believe it or not, the NHS would love to help you and invest in helping you achieve a healthy weight *now*, because if it doesn't, it's going to cost it a hell of a lot more later.  You're a good candidate for that support if you can prove that you've been trying hard by yourself and making progress.

 

Problem is, I think a lot of doctors hear the same thing from a lot of people - there's something different and wrong with me about why I can't lose weight beyond the reasons why everyone finds it very difficult.  How do they tell apart those for whom this is true due to an unusual medical problem, and those who are lying to them, or decieving themselves, or just plain wrong?  One option might just to be to say that you're determined to lose weight, you've done x and y and achieve z already, what extra help can they offer - perhaps a referral to a dietician or a nutritionist?  If there is something wrong with you as you suspect, they're far more likely to spot it and to be aware of what to do next.

i agree on the crohns disease and only mention it in that i wanted to fully disclose everything, i doubt i have it but maybe i do have some bowel issue,

 

i measured myself back then just with scales but my clothes barely fitted by the end of the holiday, infact i would say that they didnt fit at all. it was a bot embarrasing.

 

i  measure myself now on the scales everyday and by measuring my waist. the scales go up and down, the waist does not. i have just bought a set of class 3 (USED BY THE NHS) scales to keep more accurate weight tracking data.

i totally agree on the doctors, they work in an over subscribed imperfect system and they do their best but when it comes to helath i think there is no excuse for their actions.

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Hi and welcome to NF.

 

A really feel for you in your struggles. You seem to have tried almost every trick there is, except maybe one, that actually helped a friend of mine's father with similar(though a lot milder) issues. After experimentation he cut out meat. Like all meat for a couple off weeks, and it made all the difference in the world for him. 

 

This might not do the trick for you at all, and as allergies go, meat allergy is very very rare. But since you have turned every other stone, maybe trying vegetarian for 2-3 weeks might not be so far out of your comfort zone. 

 

A part from that I could only recommend seeing a proper doctor who has a decent head between his shoulder. Those are rare, but might be worth a long search and a long field trip.

 

I hope you figure this out man!

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Welcome the forum, I'm new here as well!  I completely understand where you're coming from with the frustration at not losing weight.  I've had that happen to me even when I'm working out and eating well and it's really discouraging.  I don't have many suggestions like the others above me have provided but I think their advice makes a lot of sense.  I really hope you get to the bottom of whatever is going on and move closer to achieving your goal.  Keep your head up and hang in there!  

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