Irish Oisin Posted April 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 Alright, that's true I believe in a loving, wonderful society where nobody is persecuted for the way they're born. Pretty sure that's society in Star Trek. Except those fucking Cardassians. Fuck those spoon headed fucks. Go BIG, or go home. Link to comment
Timmy M Posted April 18, 2013 Report Share Posted April 18, 2013 bigm is such a spoil sport ... but he's right, let's just listen to John and leave it at that Link to comment
Anduril Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 deleted just because Anduril, level 3 human adventurer(ranger wannabe)STR 8 | DEX 4 | STA 3.5 | CON 6.5 | WIS 3 | CHA 3.5Intro thread | Daily JournalTop weight 211, currently 184, goal weight 150 (5' 8-1/2")Life has no remote; you have to get up and change it yourself. Link to comment
Zeuel Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 I'm agnostic. I haven't seen enough evidence to prove the existence of a god or gods, but I don't feel comfortable making the claim that they absolutely do not exist. Zeuel the level 1 HumanSTR 2|DEX 1|CON 2|STA 1|WIS 1|CHA 3 Link to comment
AlterStephen Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 Let's remove the bible from this argument. Then what does the "gay people can't marry" side have? Nada! Zip! Zilch! I don't think the argument is that "gay people can't marry." The idea is that one person should not be able to marry someone of the same gender. Gay people, even openly gay people, can certainly marry someone of the opposite sex, and yes, it does happen. I'm not entirely against same-sex marriage, but I see what its opponents are trying to say. As for my views, I don't believe being gay (attracted to someone of the same sex) is sinful. That's not a choice. Those are thoughts and feelings that one cannot control. Acting on those thoughts, though, are sinful, just as acting on those thoughts and feelings in a heterosexual context outside of marriage is sinful. And since Latter-day Saints (Mormons) have more than just the Bible, we have other things that we get this doctrine from. We acknowledge that the Bible is not infallible, complete, or inerrant. See http://www.mormonsandgays.org/ for more information on the Church's stance on homosexuality and same-sex marriage. (Not trying to preach by providing that link, just trying to provide information.) "First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win." —Mahatma Ghandi Link to comment
Timmy M Posted April 21, 2013 Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 I don't think the argument is that "gay people can't marry." The idea is that one person should not be able to marry someone of the same gender. ... Link to comment
Irish Oisin Posted April 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2013 I don't think the argument is that "gay people can't marry." The idea is that one person should not be able to marry someone of the same gender. What?! Are you kidding with that statement?! Why would gay people want to marry someone they DON'T want to marry, ie, a member of the opposite sex. That is just a semantic defense to being against gay marriage. It's just like how black people weren't allowed marry white people a few decades ago. Oh, they can get married, but just not to white people. Yes, I am still drawing that comparison. You're not making a convincing argument to me saying that if you remove the bible, or any religious text (I'm adding that now) from the argument, that the anti-gay marriage side has anything other than biggotry going on. I encourage you to question this one part of your beliefs, not to abandon the whole thing because there are good parts to it. Or maybe watch a documentary called "For the Bible tells me so", it shows how families abandoned sons and daughters because they're gay and after tragedy (Usually) they see the error in their behavior and they change that one part of their beliefs while still being involved in their churches. It's worth a watch. Go BIG, or go home. Link to comment
SSquirrel Posted April 22, 2013 Report Share Posted April 22, 2013 I really wish the folks against gay marriage would just admit it all really comes down to this cartoon. http://www.theatheistpig.com/2012/05/16/05-16-2012/ Level 1 Satyr Adventurer/Assassin Age: 36, Height: 5'9", Weight: 238.6, Pants Size: 40Str 2 | Dex 3 | Sta 2 | Con 4 | Wis 1 | Cha 3 My tracking thread: http://rebellion.nerdfitness.com/index.php?/topic/26623-ssquirrels-list-of-everything/ Goals: 200 pounds, the old size 36 leather pants in my closet Alice: But I don't want to go among mad people.Cheshire Cat: Oh, you can't help that. Most everyone's mad here. You may have noticed that I'm not all there myself. Link to comment
notanartmajor Posted April 22, 2013 Report Share Posted April 22, 2013 Oh good, we've devolved into that kind of conversation. Link to comment
bigm141414 Posted April 22, 2013 Report Share Posted April 22, 2013 Seeing as we have gotten way off base from the intended purpose of this thread with no signs of returning to the topic, I'm closing it. -BigM "Pull the bar like you're ripping the head off a god-damned lion" - Donny Shankle Link to comment
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