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You're correct, and that is pretty much the SOLE reason BMI still has any relevance left today. Your reasoning is sound, but there is a limit to how far you can argue small vs large in terms of longevity; my example would be that an elephant clearly lives longer than a mouse. Maybe that's not applicable. Maybe your theory works only across a single species. I think for humans, it's more strongly correlated to BMI, and even then, apparently recent research has shown that even being a little overweight does not significantly impact on longevity. Anyways, yes different athletics have different compositional requirements. But some athletics can also be qualified as more physiologically damaging than others. Heading home for the night from work, so thats it for now. Will continue discussion later.

Just wanterned to say, even if its not paleo, some people who know a lot about nutrition and working out say to have chocolate milk. Just FYI.

I guess the first question to really ask is: how do we define 'weight maintanence'? Technically, I've hovered around 185-195 for about 2 1/2 years now, but a) my body composition has improved drastically over this time and I still desire better results. I could also, say, lose significant muscle mass while gaining lots of fat and still maintain weight. I know this is kind of side-stepping your question/plea for discussion, but I think a better way to define what you are thinking of lies somewhere along - no such thing: we can always improve. Therefore this is a measure of how long you've gone since a major backslide in progress. - meeting a goal measuring BMI compared to body composition. Therefore, losing your 'maintenance' is closely defined as moving beyond some limiting 'bar' for weight/composition. I.e. I wouldn't consider myself lost unless I slid back over say, 20% BF and 210#. I hope this is clear. But knowing that we should be preaching body composition versus un-determined 'weight lost/mainted', we need a more rigorous definition. I propose we call it 'long-term mass management'?

Dynamic warm-ups work before running. Look that up to see what I mean.

King would've enjoyed a comment like that *sniffle*

Dammit King, now I have to go make OTHER friends. You have any idea how much energy that takes? Good luck in your other endeavours. And don't ever, EVER stop picking heavy shit up.

Word. Your high-school history is almost word for word the same as mine.

I'm personally a fan of women who visit the aDductor machine frequently.

Bruce, with regards to what you feel is a lack of progress, look at it this way. Say you want to build bigger arms; right now they are 12" in circumference. Cross-sectional area is then about 11.5". Lets just assume mass is distributed evenly to make things easy. To increase your arms by 1" in circumference, you would need to make your new CS area to be 13.5". thats an increase in size of 2 square inches, which is a theoretical mass increase of 17%. This mass increase needed is even more pronounced in larger cross sections, like waist or legs. The point is, progress from a measurement perspective is always slow in the beginning. The example I gave above is just one of many in which your body will mask how well you truly are doing. For a lot of people, simply gaining muscle without gaining fat, or losing fat without losing muscle is a dream come true; meanwhile you're losing fat and gaining strength. You're making great progress for less than a months progress. It'll 'look' more and more pronounced the deeper you get in.

Wah! That's exactly what I said

So what you're saying is create a scale that internally tracks your weight and your progress... Gee, why didnt I think of that We could also modify it to say encouraging things, like "It's only water weight!" and "Aww honeyyyy back to the carrot sticks!"

Did I hear first year lifter? Don't worry one bit about nutrient timing. Just eat properly, get enough protein, and pick heavy things up.

http://xkcd.net/978/ I feel this applies to bro-science oh so very well. Step 1: Bro makes up facts. Step 2: lazy fitness article writers write article based on Bro's statements. Step 3: When challenged on his views, the Bro quotes the fitness article written about his statements. Step 4: Voila! Bro-science is born!

It's easier when you don't care about their dignity.

But videos are such a pain... how about ensuring people keep a workout log in the weeks leading up to the challenge? It's hard to say you're lifting 185X5 one week and then, as you say, 440X20 the next

qpop: why weighing scales? Just get someone with a decent background in statistics to set up a control chart

So what do we do when Spezzy comes in and kicks everyone's collective ass? I don't think my ego could take a hit like that.

Then you're not gonna be cut, ripped, jacked, etc. You can have his muscle mass, but plus 20 pounds of fat. Which is fine, when you think about it; some sports like wrestling simply need the extra leverage. That 20 pounds also wouldn't look that bad on that amount of muscle mass. Think NFL linebacker.

So you're losing fat... gaining some muscle... all while not being perfect with your diet... Am I getting this right? You're complaining about not seeing fast enough results? It's gonna take a while bro. Come back when you ACTUALLY have a problem

Waaaaaaaaah wayback fails at indexing forums if it could, I would have sniped the old OMG forum ages ago. Enough thread-jacking for today.

Explosive push-ups = clapping push-ups. Kinda scared myself the first time I realized I could get some serious hang-time.

FTFY :3 You're right though, that in terms of peace of mind, the post workout shake helps. I knoooow you have 24 hours or so, but sooner rather than later never hurt anyone, unless you're trying to drink protein WHILE you work out. Then you just upset teh tummy.

One of these days I'm gonna catch your posting pre-edit and find out why you keep having to change things Senior Mob

Training for explosiveness in and of itself is a whole 'nother can of worms. My current leg work consists of squats and deadlifts, but my numbers are low right now because of a back injury. I tend to do slow on the way down and explode up on all my exercises, but as mentioned elsewhere, when you get to heavier loads, 'exploding' up may still happen at about the same speed as coming down. That's not to say that I'm currently doing any explosive training per say. When I get closer to the season, I'll be training explosiveness in terms of run speed, which squats don't really help with anyway, as it's a different biomechanical movement. But being about 4-5 months out from outdoor training even being possible, I'm just building general muscle strength, and doing more SST as I close in. I have a seperate thread under the Beach 2012 challenge detailing some of my current work if you're curious :3

Yeah, the deadlift just uses up so much energy that it tends to task your anaerobic system even with good conditioning. It's one of *very* few exercises in which taking a couple seconds between reps can help. See if that doesn't stop the dizziness.