Bodyrock + boobs

[Anivair]

a) boob job or not is really a personal choice for me.

Bodyrock is legit. They do good work. That said, Zuzanna sort of comes fully equipped with body image issues (she did spend a lot of time in the Czech porn industry, which is not even as respectable as the occasionally screwed up American one).

[Morrigainz]

Right...but we are not talking about Zuz anymore...we are talking about the new host who is awesomely fit also...

[scarletleavy]

I had to see what all the fuss was about, so I went to Facebook to look at the post-augmentation pictures. To be honest, I'm not a huge fan of the "new" Bodyrock. I used to love BR when Zuzana was there, I used to do their workout at least 4-5 times per week, but recently I just haven't been feeling it. I'm not really a huge fan of Lisa-Marie and their new workouts (too much emphasis on equipment for my liking) so I kinda stopped reading it. I feel like their philosophy has changed a bit, so I guess this fits right in with that. I got the feeling from the "original" Bodyrock that it was more about being healthy, in shape and making positive changes in your life (personal life, relationships, diet, etc) and now it seems more about just looking good. I don't know, I'm not sure I like.

Just my 2 cents.

And regarding breast augmentation. To each their own, everyone is entitled to do what they want with their own bodies. I'm personally a believer in make the best with what you've got, but I respect that others might disagree. I have pretty small boobs that aren't exactly even in size and at times I've thought seriously about having something done to them, but I think I want to keep the body I've got and love it for what it is. I also think big boobs would get in the way of my rock climbing...

[Anivair]

Right...but we are not talking about Zuz anymore...we are talking about the new host who is awesomely fit also...

My bad. I haven't watched since she stopped doing videos.

[ZenGwen]

I've heard about that and would argue that some situations are "different" - it may just be splitting hairs here because it all comes down to having confidence and looking "normal" I guess, but I would just tend to understand someone in her situation better than someone else that just decided she was too small.

I disagree. I've had a lot of plastic surgery for these reasons - looking "normal". I was born with Crouzon syndrome, and had some seriously major stuff done to my skull and jaw. years and years of orthodontia. A surgery to the muscle attached to one of my eyes because the other stuff had weakened it. Speech therapy. Glasses since age 8. I could stick my tongue out through my underbite. Impossible to eat apples or anything I actually had to bite a chunk out of. I have a big jagged scar just under my left boob, where they took some rib, and put it into my skull. I still have a bolt by my left eye socket - you can't see it, but you can feel it. Great party trick. My parents put me through private school, not because the public schools in our area were bad, but because they were concerned that I would get teased and the teachers wouldn't have time to deal with it at a public school. (They were right. Switched into public at age 14, fistfight within a week. I won. It was okay. But it sucked.) Also, I looked a lot like I had Down's syndrome, and they were worried that teachers with little time to get to know me would assume I was impaired. (They were right about that too.)

When I was 17 and the doctors told me I had stopped growing, I made the decision to have one final surgery. It was almost completely for cosmetic reasons. It did help my bite (I can eat apples now!) and my breathing, somewhat. I don't suffer from sleep apnea any more, although I have a deviated septum which makes my nose run when I do cardio, and apparently makes me a TERRIBLE snorer. But for the most part, it was just because I wanted to look normal, and I went through a living hell for it. You have not experienced horror until you have vomited with your jaw wired shut. At least I was on a lot of painkillers. And now I look great. It was worth it. I'm happy. I didn't get them to do anything special, no extra-pointy chin or high cheekbones or pouty lips, just what I would look like if I hadn't had Crouzon. My eyes are still slightly different sizes, but nothing can be done - I would if I could - and apparently no one notices unless I point it out to them. It's been a huge confidence boost.

Anyway, all this is to say - I have no problem with anyone who wants to do anything cosmetic, for any reason. I had mine done in "different" circumstances, and what it taught me is that it's my body and my emotions and my mental health to do what I like with. And that goes for everyone. If you want to look a particular way, and there is only one way to do it, then do it that way. I want to look ripped - the only way, as far as I'm concerned, is to lift weights and cut extra body fat. This lady wants to have bigger breasts - well, the only way to do that is implants, really. My friend wants to have a tattoo, or piercings, or subdermal implants, or train their waist, or have a large body, or shave their head? Someone else wants to use a lot of makeup, or spend hours tanning their skin, or use contacts which make their pupils look bigger, or have super-long fingernails? Great! Do what you gotta do, sister. I will sit here holding your bag and grinning while you curse out the guy giving you your new industrial.

The only thing which I think is problematic is when the desire to look a certain way doesn't actually come from the individual, but from messages other people give them. And that happens with people of all "types" - yeah, you have the super-tanned Playboy idolizing girls who want huge tits + ass, but you also have the little goth who will only get attention from the girls he likes if he's as skinny as possible, and guys who are somehow supposed to look like Calvin Klein advertisements without appearing to use too many products or care about it too much in case they come across as "gay". That is a problem. But I don't think anyone is really saying otherwise. And even then, the problem isn't really with them. If they want to do it and it isn't hurting them, then they should do it! The problem is with the people giving them the messages.

Edited to add: Although I was only aware of bodyrock because of their sports clothing line, which I could get big discounts for through the calorie counter site I use. But I looked at it and the front page had women in active wear and HIGH HEELS doing pornstar poses. WTF?

[Bumblebee4]

I love everything you said Gwen and the way you said it!!! I'm sorry to hear you went through so much in the past to get to where you are now but as we all know, the trials of life make us the basasses that we become and you seem badass in my eyes!

[Arashi]

Anyway, all this is to say - I have no problem with anyone who wants to do anything cosmetic, for any reason. I had mine done in "different" circumstances, and what it taught me is that it's my body and my emotions and my mental health to do what I like with. And that goes for everyone. If you want to look a particular way, and there is only one way to do it, then do it that way. I want to look ripped - the only way, as far as I'm concerned, is to lift weights and cut extra body fat. This lady wants to have bigger breasts - well, the only way to do that is implants, really. My friend wants to have a tattoo, or piercings, or subdermal implants, or train their waist, or have a large body, or shave their head? Someone else wants to use a lot of makeup, or spend hours tanning their skin, or use contacts which make their pupils look bigger, or have super-long fingernails? Great! Do what you gotta do, sister. I will sit here holding your bag and grinning while you curse out the guy giving you your new industrial.

The only thing which I think is problematic is when the desire to look a certain way doesn't actually come from the individual, but from messages other people give them. And that happens with people of all "types" - yeah, you have the super-tanned Playboy idolizing girls who want huge tits + ass, but you also have the little goth who will only get attention from the girls he likes if he's as skinny as possible, and guys who are somehow supposed to look like Calvin Klein advertisements without appearing to use too many products or care about it too much in case they come across as "gay". That is a problem. But I don't think anyone is really saying otherwise. And even then, the problem isn't really with them. If they want to do it and it isn't hurting them, then they should do it! The problem is with the people giving them the messages.

Gwen, everything you said x1000.

Also, not taking a person seriously because she has breast implants is sad, very sad. It is the only way to have big breasts, people. And if she wants to, it's not my damn business. Her competence has nothing to do with the amount of silicone in her boobs.

Also, Gwen? You did all that and no you do pull-ups too? Geez, girl, you're my new hero.

[Morrigainz]

Although I was only aware of bodyrock because of their sports clothing line, which I could get big discounts for through the calorie counter site I use. But I looked at it and the front page had women in active wear and HIGH HEELS doing pornstar poses. WTF?

Erm...clothing line? As far as I know they do not have a clothing line? Am I wrong? I do not think that bodyrock.tv is affiliated with bodyrocksport.com...but I could be wrong?

Anyway...I appreciate the differing opinions It's not that I think less of her as a person or anything, I just think that her getting a boob job flies in the face of everything bodyrocking is supposed to be about... *shrug* But I guess that is my own personal issue

[Thrillho]

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but... isn't bodyrock about doing lots of hard work to change how your body looks and feels? Since there's no bodyweight exercise in the world that is going to add mass to your boobs, surgery would be the next logical step to change your body, yes?

[ZenGwen]

I love everything you said Gwen and the way you said it!!! I'm sorry to hear you went through so much in the past to get to where you are now but as we all know, the trials of life make us the basasses that we become and you seem badass in my eyes!

Gwen, everything you said x1000.

Also, not taking a person seriously because she has breast implants is sad, very sad. It is the only way to have big breasts, people. And if she wants to, it's not my damn business. Her competence has nothing to do with the amount of silicone in her boobs.

Also, Gwen? You did all that and no you do pull-ups too? Geez, girl, you're my new hero.

Aw, thanks guys.

I don't feel that badass because of it, I didn't really have a choice after all! I do feel like a cyborg though. Which I enjoy. I think I'm going to stick some of my skull x-rays up on the wall.

Erm...clothing line? As far as I know they do not have a clothing line? Am I wrong? I do not think that bodyrock.tv is affiliated with bodyrocksport.com...but I could be wrong?

Anyway...I appreciate the differing opinions It's not that I think less of her as a person or anything, I just think that her getting a boob job flies in the face of everything bodyrocking is supposed to be about... *shrug* But I guess that is my own personal issue

Aren't they? Hmmm, you know, I assumed they must be, but I can't really find anything that suggests it. Cool! That's good to know. Honestly I actually do like some of the BodyRock Sport clothes, it just gets me that their models are wearing high heels.

I get where you're coming from. When I first got my surgery I actually though of everything like that. Like - folks who have the privilege to do this stuff just to make themselves look better than average, they should just count their blessings! But you know, I've changed my mind over time. And at least we know that she really does take care of her body, right?

[Morrigainz]

Haha, right?

I'm not sure how I feel about bling on sports bras...but I suppose as someone who wants to launch a product line of pink dumbbells, I really don't have room to argue?

[ZenGwen]

Haha, right?

I'm not sure how I feel about bling on sports bras...but I suppose as someone who wants to launch a product line of pink dumbbells, I really don't have room to argue?

LOL! yeah, I generally avoid bling on anything. Also don't really like the product names - "Rip 'Em Off Leggings" and "The Morning After Top" - however, I am pretty tempted by a camo sports bra.

[Book]

Also, not taking a person seriously because she has breast implants is sad, very sad. It is the only way to have big breasts, people. And if she wants to, it's not my damn business. Her competence has nothing to do with the amount of silicone in her boobs.

Is this directed at me? If so, then there may be a bit of a disconnect. I did say that it makes it hard for me, not that I don't. You see, the thing is, I agree with most if not all of what ZenGwen said as well. It's just that, other than the obvious exceptions, it seems to me like most breast enhancements are done for those negative reasons that ZenGwen pointed out in her post. You're right, the amount of silicon does not affect her competency. However, her choice to put silicon in is certainly an indication of her mindset, one way or another.

The person that I admired most in college had a medical issue where they excised most of her breast tissue. She got implants because her chest no longer fit her personal body image. I couldn't have agreed with her decision more.

[Morrigainz]

Nice! That would go well with the pair of camo chucks I just got

[Arashi]

Haha, right?

I'm not sure how I feel about bling on sports bras...but I suppose as someone who wants to launch a product line of pink dumbbells, I really don't have room to argue?

I think it's a bit weird, but as I live in a bra desert (all bras are B-cups, don't fit? Not their problem), if a sports bra fits me, I'll buy it no matter the amount of bling!!!

[AKLulu]

Not gonna like, I kind of want the Elena Bra... I got a leopard print scarf for Christmas and ever since then I've had this idea of being a "Cougar-in-training." I'm too young to be a cougar, but I've decided that I'm starting cougar-time at 35 if I'm still single by then. It gives a girl something to look forward to...

[Arashi]

Is this directed at me? If so, then there may be a bit of a disconnect. I did say that it makes it hard for me, not that I don't. You see, the thing is, I agree with most if not all of what ZenGwen said as well. It's just that, other than the obvious exceptions, it seems to me like most breast enhancements are done for those negative reasons that ZenGwen pointed out in her post. You're right, the amount of silicon does not affect her competency. However, her choice to put silicon in is certainly an indication of her mindset, one way or another.

The person that I admired most in college had a medical issue where they excised most of her breast tissue. She got implants because her chest no longer fit her personal body image. I couldn't have agreed with her decision more.

I agree on the mindset thing, because our choices aren't made in a vacuum. But the thing is: we never know what reason that person had for making the implants. For example: I know women whose breasts got smaller after having children, and having augmentation was just a way of getting their pre-pregnancy figure back.

Besides, when it comes to breasts, the implant really is the only solution. You can work out instead of putting on calf implants, for example, but working out won't give you bigger breasts.

[TeaKwonDo]

I've been following Bodyrock since last August, even if I don't do the workouts atm, and I'm disappointed that Lisa-Marie made the choice, but as everyone else said, if it makes her truly happy and gives her even more of a boost than her already sunny personality, then more power to her. Personally, I love small boobs. Being gay, women's bodies are celebrated and adored in all shapes and sizes, or at least that's how it seems in comparison to straight culture. Gimme the covergirls of the TTC and I'm happy.

Plus, small breasts are ideal for working out as hard as LM does--as adorable as sports bras can be, isn't it a little annoying to constantly worry about extra support? Big-busted ladies, thoughts?

[Woodsrider]

I have to agree with Book on this one. I too agree with almost everything thing ZenGwen said but have a hard time taking a women seriously when she's had large implants.

You also have to agree that there is a huge difference in types of cosmetic surgeries. Having your face reconstructed is not the same as having huge jugs installed. Also, having some modest B or C cups implanted after losing the same size breast mass is not the same thing as having some DD put in just because you don't like your little B's.

We have a friend who is a fitness competitor that lost almost all her breasts from working out and cutting. She had 'normal' size implants done and you would never know that they were fake. That, I don't have any concern with. It's the 'in your face' obvious implants that I don't like to see women get.

But, we work out and eat right to: 1) look good and 2) to feel good, in that order. And if getting your breasts back, or for that matter, getting MORE than your breasts back makes you happy, then go for it. Just remember to be sensible when choosing your size.

[ZenGwen]

You also have to agree that there is a huge difference in types of cosmetic surgeries. Having your face reconstructed is not the same as having huge jugs installed. Also, having some modest B or C cups implanted after losing the same size breast mass is not the same thing as having some DD put in just because you don't like your little B's.

Why? I only had my face reconstructed because I didn't like my underbite. What's the difference? It's just about choosing how you want to present yourself.

[Morrigainz]

Plus, small breasts are ideal for working out as hard as LM does--as adorable as sports bras can be, isn't it a little annoying to constantly worry about extra support? Big-busted ladies, thoughts?

YES! Ugh. And not just that, but they get in the way! Prone cuban snatches make them SMOOOOSH.

[lela gypsypunk]

I joined bodyrock when Lisa Marie first started hosting, I didn't know who Zuzanna was until I dug through the archives. And the way I see it, it's her choice and body to do what she wants with. She's a fitness instructor/model, not my moral compass or emotional therapist.

Are her workouts awesome and hard? Yes! Am I achieving more fitness by doing them? Yes! So why worry about what someone you may never meet and don't really know is doing with their body? I see it as maybe she'll showcase some cute sports bras that women with bigger boobs can wear.

[Arashi]

Also, no matter what Victoria's Secret says, DD is not BIG. G cups are big. J cups are HUGE. DD is perfectly average.

The reason people think DD is big is because most women wear the wrong bra size, and mainstream companies don't make larger cups. So women try desperately to fit into DD cups, fail miserably, and end up with back pain and quadraboob effect (I'm looking at you, Christina Hendricks!)

Seriously, I know that's not you guys' point, but it is already harder for women to be taken seriously in many fields - just for being female. Then you're judged by whether your nails are manicured, you decided not to dye your white hairs, or the size of your breasts. And other 1,000 things. It's exhausting.

That said, I have no idea why some women think they desperately need gigantic boobs. It's much harder to find clothes that fit, and when you do find them, it's usually twice the regular price.

[Thrillho]

You just described being really tall, too, and yet a lot of people desperately want to be tall.

[Arashi]

You just described being really tall, too, and yet a lot of people desperately want to be tall.

I definitely want to be taller, but then again, I'm 5'1". I'd be happy with three or four extra inches - and I wouldn't have to hem my pants all the time!