Br0din Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 I figured dumbbells were pretty much the same as the bar. ... There's only one bar at the gym but not many people use the heavier dumbbells so i just grab those instead.Cool to know that the dumbbells add a degree of difficulty DB's force more of your stabilizers to work in order to make the lift, thus making it harder to lift similar weight as a bar. I saw an odd sight in the gym yesterday, someone was on a bench preparing to do a total of 100kg. I thought, he sure doesn't look big enough to bench 100kg. As he barely got out a couple of reps his ass was so high in the air he may as well have been doing glute bridges. What's the reason for that in bench press? I get that cheat curls and whatnot make it easier to "lift" heavier weight, but is there any benefit to an ass high in the air? An arched back allows you to engage your lats and back more in the lift allowing you to lift more. May Br0din bless you with mighty gains, and may your shaker bottle always be full. Wheymen ...and, if you die... Walk it off - Captain America Level 13: 1/4 Giant Warrior STR - 50 | DEX - 19 | STA - 19 | CON - 14 | WIS - 28 | CHA - 24 My food logging is here*: MFP: tyrsnbdr Link to comment
Cat in the rack Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 An arched back allows you to engage your lats and back more in the lift allowing you to lift more.Ah fair enough, so lifting your ass up just allows you to arch your back more I guess? Follow me on snapchat or instagram @ catintherackSquat: 115kgBench: 77.5kgDeadlift: 130kgTotal: 322.5kgWeight: 68kg Link to comment
SpecialSundae Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 Ah fair enough, so lifting your ass up just allows you to arch your back more I guess? It's more that it sometimes happens with leg drive. Flying way in the air isn't ideal but if he's not competing then it hardly matters. Link to comment
insanity Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 I see what you did there. I think.Ya... was a cheap shot but I had to take it... "Insanity - you make my world a better place man, you really do! That shit is awesome! :D" - Guzzi- My first challenge My battle Log: Insanity: Warrior Monk Honorary Ranger dubbed by DarK_RaideR, 1000 Pound club (875 of 1000) Link to comment
Dleffe Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 I saw an odd sight in the gym yesterday, someone was on a bench preparing to do a total of 100kg. I thought, he sure doesn't look big enough to bench 100kg. As he barely got out a couple of reps his ass was so high in the air he may as well have been doing glute bridges. What's the reason for that in bench press? I get that cheat curls and whatnot make it easier to "lift" heavier weight, but is there any benefit to an ass high in the air? As far as Ive noticed, ass in the air means you don't have full tension, this means you lose some strength. It sounds strange but when I engage every muscle from my hands down to my calves I can lift more and with better form. At least after a training or 2 to get used to real full tension. The hyper arch gets used to shorten the distance you need to move the weigth in competition sometimes though. Now for an amusing story about a asshole in the gym (yeah I mean me). I'd been doing a couple months of bodyweigth only training (mainly cause handstand push-ups and pistol squats look cool ) which really let me lean out. Couple months after I'd gone back to powerlifting a girl (a cute cardiobunny) comes up to me and says "I thought you looked better when you where leaner", before my oxygendeprived mind could make the connection I responded with "Well I think you'd look better if you lifted heavy"... well she never talked to me after that. 4 Link to comment
Squidwina Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 Hey, at least he wasn't the Sheik of the Shake Weight. All my Finance friends & I call ourselves "CFO of ..." I've sometimes described my job as "CEO of Saving PDFs in Folders." 1 My Main Quest: Bench my Body WeightMy First 6-Week Challenge: Squidwina - A Week Late and 45 Pounds ShortStarted Program - 5-Jan-2015Main Lifts as of 17-Mar-2015- Squat: 3 reps at 175 lbs (200 lb 1RM)- Deadlift: 3 reps at 185 lbs- Bench press: 3 reps at 115 lbs- Overhead press: 3 reps at 75 lbs Link to comment
summer child Posted March 21, 2015 Report Share Posted March 21, 2015 As far as Ive noticed, ass in the air means you don't have full tension, this means you lose some strength. It sounds strange but when I engage every muscle from my hands down to my calves I can lift more and with better form. At least after a training or 2 to get used to real full tension. The hyper arch gets used to shorten the distance you need to move the weigth in competition sometimes though. Hyper arch you say?http://youtu.be/Ko4XMW4EBG0 Link to comment
insanity Posted March 22, 2015 Report Share Posted March 22, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7ChqqhcBww 1 "Insanity - you make my world a better place man, you really do! That shit is awesome! :D" - Guzzi- My first challenge My battle Log: Insanity: Warrior Monk Honorary Ranger dubbed by DarK_RaideR, 1000 Pound club (875 of 1000) Link to comment
Cat in the rack Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 Say what you will, but I'll bet his teeth muscles are on fire 2 Follow me on snapchat or instagram @ catintherackSquat: 115kgBench: 77.5kgDeadlift: 130kgTotal: 322.5kgWeight: 68kg Link to comment
jfreaksho Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 A lot of the old-timey strongmen used to do jaw strength tricks. Tearing/bending quarters, picking up heavy weights, picking up a table... Kinda useless, but impressive nonetheless:http://legendarystrength.com/feats-of-strength/teeth-and-jaw-feats/ 1 Searching the world for a cure for my wanderlust. Link to comment
Eleanorsbee Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 A lot of the old-timey strongmen used to do jaw strength tricks. Tearing/bending quarters, picking up heavy weights, picking up a table... this slowly phased out in the 1980's when they invented the chewy protein bars that tasted like Ass and you needed a 56" jaw to be able to get through of course today, protein bars are more like regular chocolate bars, so the old school training ideas like picking a table up are coming back in to fashion Thinking about it, Squatting died out a lot in the 1980s ... probably wasnt needed due to trying to get rid of said protein bar in the gym toilet the next day 3 Human | Ranger Level 3 | STR: 8 | DEX: 2 | STA: 8 | CON: 5 | WIS: 0 | CHA: 7 Current Challenge / Second Challenge, / My First Challenge Link to comment
Gainsdalf the Whey Posted March 23, 2015 Report Share Posted March 23, 2015 I saw an odd sight in the gym yesterday, someone was on a bench preparing to do a total of 100kg. I thought, he sure doesn't look big enough to bench 100kg. As he barely got out a couple of reps his ass was so high in the air he may as well have been doing glute bridges. What's the reason for that in bench press? I get that cheat curls and whatnot make it easier to "lift" heavier weight, but is there any benefit to an ass high in the air? It has to do with leg drive. If your feet are farther back and you really engage the leg drive to create full body tension, the ass can come off the bench. Mine does if my feet are too far back, but I'm lifting more than I do without the leg drive, and am in a stronger position when it happens. In my fed (USAPL) it's illegal for the ass to come off the bench, so it's something I'm working on fixing. There are feds where it's ok, and people do it as the higher the ribcage is off the bench, the more it turns into a decline bench sort of movement, which we are naturally stronger in. There's also a shorter ROM. I suspect the reason we're stronger in that direction is that the "chest push" movement as far as evolution goes is for climbing obstacles, like we do when climbing a fence or pulling ourselves up on something then pressing our weight upward. It's a downward press more than a straight out one, so the muscles are really evolved to be strongest in that direction. vs the straight out like the bench press. The bigger arch you can get, the closer the bench press is to that movement. 4 Massrandir, Barkûn, Swolórin, The Whey Pilgrim 500 / 330 / 625 Challenges: 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 31 32 34 35 36 39 41 42 45 46 47 48 49 Current Challenge "No citizen has a right to be an amateur in the matter of physical training. What a disgrace it is for a man to grow old without ever seeing the beauty and strength of which his body is capable. " ~ Socrates "Friends don't let friends squat high." ~ Chad Wesley Smith "It's a dangerous business, Brodo, squatting to the floor. You step into the rack, and if you don't keep your form, there's no knowing where you might be swept off to." ~ Gainsdalf Link to comment
Cat in the rack Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 I'd like to start this post with one phrase that shall be the recurring theme throughout: fuck the harlequins.The harlequins are the rugby team here in surrey, and people that use the gym all share a quiet hatred of them, I say quiet, because nobody's going to loudly show hatred to a group of giant rugby players. 4, sometimes 5 days a week they have the entire free weights area reserved for 2-3 hours at a time, heck, today they have it from 9-11.30 and then again at 2-4. They're reserve this area so that they can do 3 things: use the dumbbells that are so heavy nobody else uses them anyway, use 3 of the 6 racks/platforms at most, and wonder aimlessly from shoulder press machine to leg press machine to machine to machine to machine.If they were to reserve half of the racks/platforms, a couple of benches, some of the heavier dumbbells, and the machines they "needed", they could stay for 6 hours straight without bothering anyone provided it wasn't at peak times. Alternatively, if they had a specific time-sensitive routine, they could be in and out in an hour, maybe an hour and a half. But instead they take all of it, use a fraction of it, and spend 10-20 minutes at a time talking by the water fountain.But none of that bugs me as much as this little nugget: the head guy (captain? I don't know rugby terminology) and maybe one or two others show up 10 minutes before to let everyone in the free weights section know they need to leave soon (I've been mid-set on squat or bench press and had them start asking me if I would be done soon and getting irritable when I continued with my exercise with the intention of the answering them when I finished that particular set). Then, over the next few reserved hours other rugby players show up as and when they please for an hour or so at a time. If you're reserving the whole area I'd assume you'd need it, that you'd have some big circuit or particular routine that your players do as part of their training. They literally reserve it for 3 hours just so that they won't have to wait to use any equipment, regardless of whether they actually need to.Anyway, rant over, have a good day everyone 2 Follow me on snapchat or instagram @ catintherackSquat: 115kgBench: 77.5kgDeadlift: 130kgTotal: 322.5kgWeight: 68kg Link to comment
Damaramu Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 It has to do with leg drive. If your feet are farther back and you really engage the leg drive to create full body tension, the ass can come off the bench. Mine does if my feet are too far back, but I'm lifting more than I do without the leg drive, and am in a stronger position when it happens. In my fed (USAPL) it's illegal for the ass to come off the bench, so it's something I'm working on fixing. There are feds where it's ok, and people do it as the higher the ribcage is off the bench, the more it turns into a decline bench sort of movement, which we are naturally stronger in. There's also a shorter ROM. I suspect the reason we're stronger in that direction is that the "chest push" movement as far as evolution goes is for climbing obstacles, like we do when climbing a fence or pulling ourselves up on something then pressing our weight upward. It's a downward press more than a straight out one, so the muscles are really evolved to be strongest in that direction. vs the straight out like the bench press. The bigger arch you can get, the closer the bench press is to that movement. Yeah they don't allow it in the local fed I've always competed in either. I'm kind of a flat bencher though, so i've never really had that problem. I could probably be stronger if I learn to engage my leg drive more but I'm doing okay being a flat bencher right now. Damaramu's Battle Log: Sick And Tired Of Being Fat And Out Of Shape Link to comment
Mark D Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 I'd like to start this post with one phrase that shall be the recurring theme throughout: fuck the harlequins.The harlequins are the rugby team here in surrey, and people that use the gym all share a quiet hatred of them, I say quiet, because nobody's going to loudly show hatred to a group of giant rugby players. 4, sometimes 5 days a week they have the entire free weights area reserved for 2-3 hours at a time, heck, today they have it from 9-11.30 and then again at 2-4. They're reserve this area so that they can do 3 things: use the dumbbells that are so heavy nobody else uses them anyway, use 3 of the 6 racks/platforms at most, and wonder aimlessly from shoulder press machine to leg press machine to machine to machine to machine.If they were to reserve half of the racks/platforms, a couple of benches, some of the heavier dumbbells, and the machines they "needed", they could stay for 6 hours straight without bothering anyone provided it wasn't at peak times. Alternatively, if they had a specific time-sensitive routine, they could be in and out in an hour, maybe an hour and a half. But instead they take all of it, use a fraction of it, and spend 10-20 minutes at a time talking by the water fountain.But none of that bugs me as much as this little nugget: the head guy (captain? I don't know rugby terminology) and maybe one or two others show up 10 minutes before to let everyone in the free weights section know they need to leave soon (I've been mid-set on squat or bench press and had them start asking me if I would be done soon and getting irritable when I continued with my exercise with the intention of the answering them when I finished that particular set). Then, over the next few reserved hours other rugby players show up as and when they please for an hour or so at a time. If you're reserving the whole area I'd assume you'd need it, that you'd have some big circuit or particular routine that your players do as part of their training. They literally reserve it for 3 hours just so that they won't have to wait to use any equipment, regardless of whether they actually need to.Anyway, rant over, have a good day everyone Wait, they can reserve the free weights area and kick out other paying customers? The management of the gym allows this? Time for you, and the other inconvenienced customers, to find a new gym AND make sure you tell the management WHY. 4 My character: https://www.nerdfitness.com/character/58572/ Current Challenge:http://rebellion.nerdfitness.com/index.php?/topic/83683-mark-d-walks-up-to-a-barbell/ Previous Challenges: 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 Link to comment
Cat in the rack Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Wait, they can reserve the free weights area and kick out other paying customers? The management of the gym allows this? Time for you, and the other inconvenienced customers, to find a new gym AND make sure you tell the management WHY.It's their official gym so yeah, it's something of a pain but I work around it, it's the same reason the swimming team can reserve the lanes. There are three reasons I won't be switching gyms: the facilities are great, it's about four times cheaper because of the student membership, and it's right outside my front door. Follow me on snapchat or instagram @ catintherackSquat: 115kgBench: 77.5kgDeadlift: 130kgTotal: 322.5kgWeight: 68kg Link to comment
Oramac Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 EDIT: nevermind "Someone ever tries to kill you, you try to kill 'em right back." - Captain Malcolm Reynolds Current Challenge Also, I Agree With Tank™ Link to comment
Mark D Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Every boy should date ONE girl who makes him wonder if he's gonna wake up the next morning No. Because no. Trust me on this one. It's like Jeff Foxworthy said about women who like "dangerous" guys, with the genders reversed. (Paraphrasing here) You marry a dangerous guy, you're gonna end up on an episode of "Cops" in a trailer park, wearing a tube top and yelling "Lock his ass up!" 1 My character: https://www.nerdfitness.com/character/58572/ Current Challenge:http://rebellion.nerdfitness.com/index.php?/topic/83683-mark-d-walks-up-to-a-barbell/ Previous Challenges: 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 Link to comment
Mark D Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Maybe mine wasn't as crazy as yours [but I seriously doubt it] Or maybe I'm just older and have seen the results of getting involved with crazy women at both first and second hand. I went on a first date with a woman once who spent our entire date telling me what she did to the cars of guys who dumped her. Sugar in gas tank, slashed tires, m-80's under the wipers (to blow in the windshield) on a rainy day, dog crap rubbed on the manifold and sardine juice dumped into the air intake. I was very glad she didn't know what kind of car I drove and only knew my first name and phone number. We never had a second date. As a buddy of mine says (slightly cleaned up), don't stick it in the crazy, the screwing you get won't be worth the screwing you take. 1 My character: https://www.nerdfitness.com/character/58572/ Current Challenge:http://rebellion.nerdfitness.com/index.php?/topic/83683-mark-d-walks-up-to-a-barbell/ Previous Challenges: 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 Link to comment
Oramac Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Maybe mine wasn't as crazy as yours [but I seriously doubt it] Well, there's Crazy, and then there's Crazy. The first one is awesome. The second one puts sugar in your gas tank. I would say a guy needs to at least date a girl that falls into the first category, but not the second. 1 "Someone ever tries to kill you, you try to kill 'em right back." - Captain Malcolm Reynolds Current Challenge Also, I Agree With Tank™ Link to comment
Silo Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Many of these crazy people seem to end up being accountants later on in life. I have had several coworkers who have left me speechless at the lunch table as they've detailed stories similar to Mark D's above. It seems like you'd have to be a bit crazy to admit that you'd done all of that so I've tended to believe them. 2 2016 goals: Hit goal weight. Build muscle.2015 goals: Get stronger, stop loathing squats and get better at them - DONE!!!2014 goal: Lose 52.5 lbs. - DONE!!! 12/13/14 MFP Link to comment
Oramac Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 Many of these crazy people seem to end up being accountants later on in life. I have had several coworkers who have left me speechless at the lunch table as they've detailed stories similar to Mark D's above. It seems like you'd have to be a bit crazy to admit that you'd done all of that so I've tended to believe them. Hmm.......I know a lot of accountants...... "Someone ever tries to kill you, you try to kill 'em right back." - Captain Malcolm Reynolds Current Challenge Also, I Agree With Tank™ Link to comment
Eleanorsbee Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 dog crap rubbed on the manifold . I know you use this as a negative ..... but a woman that is willing to pick up dog crap ..... AND knows where the manifold is and what it does (or at least knows it gets hot) .... I am telling you, she is a keeper !!!! 1 Human | Ranger Level 3 | STR: 8 | DEX: 2 | STA: 8 | CON: 5 | WIS: 0 | CHA: 7 Current Challenge / Second Challenge, / My First Challenge Link to comment
Oramac Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 I know you use this as a negative ..... but a woman that is willing to pick up dog crap ..... AND knows where the manifold is and what it does (or at least knows it gets hot) .... I am telling you, she is a keeper !!!! I'd be more impressed if she could help fix the car instead of destroying it. (though being a mechanic I do know a lot of great non-destructive car pranks!) "Someone ever tries to kill you, you try to kill 'em right back." - Captain Malcolm Reynolds Current Challenge Also, I Agree With Tank™ Link to comment
Mark D Posted March 24, 2015 Report Share Posted March 24, 2015 I know you use this as a negative ..... but a woman that is willing to pick up dog crap ..... AND knows where the manifold is and what it does (or at least knows it gets hot) .... I am telling you, she is a keeper !!!! Sorry, there's "keeper" because she has skills/talents/qualities you admire and want to have around, and there's "keeper" because you're afraid to kick her butt to the curb because she might sneak in one night and castrate you in your sleep. My character: https://www.nerdfitness.com/character/58572/ Current Challenge:http://rebellion.nerdfitness.com/index.php?/topic/83683-mark-d-walks-up-to-a-barbell/ Previous Challenges: 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 Link to comment
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