Snarkyfishguts Posted November 28, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 10 minutes ago, The Most Loathed said: I also ordered some new jeans with a 35 waist. ooooooh new jeans! Love it! Quote Link to comment
Elennare Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 9/11: 172.5 9/18: 172.0 9/25: 172.7 10/2: 173.5 10/9: 172.7 10/16: 171.5 10/23: 171.7 10/23: 171.7 10/30: N/A 11/6: 174.6 11/13: 171.6 11/20: 173.3 11/28: 173.5 Not what I was hoping to see, but given the holiday plus travel (we went to visit my in-laws), I'll take it. Also, not recorded here because it was mid-week, but my number before we left for the trip was higher. So, while still up overall, I did go down a bit from where I was pre-holiday! It is unlikely, but it would be lovely if I could get the number to drop before Friday so I can record something nice for my end/start of the month stats. 4 Quote Wood Elf Waywatcher Mandalorian (Assassin/Ranger hybrid) Link to comment
Jarric Posted November 28, 2023 Report Share Posted November 28, 2023 Hi all, I wasn't following along with this challenge, but as you're extending it for the rest of the year I feel like it's a good time to jump in. If nothing else, I could use the extra motivation/accountability to get through Christmas party season, because there's always a surfit of food and booze available at this time of year. This is what's been occurring over the past few weeks, since I bought a new set of scales: Date Weight Weight change 23/10/2023 174.1 -2.3 30/10/2023 171.8 0.9 06/11/2023 172.7 0.8 13/11/2023 173.5 -0.8 20/11/2023 172.7 -1.4 27/11/2023 171.3 So I'm down almost 3lbs in 6 weeks, but I'd really like to hit -1lb/week for the rest of the year. Guess I'm shooting for 166lbs (11 stone 12lbs) by new year's day! 7 Quote Level 21 Wood Elf Ranger STR: 18 - CON: 22 - CHA: 11 - SAN: 19 - INT: 17 IAgreeWithTank™ "Shit is going down, but I am not." - iatetheyeti Don't say "I don't have enough time", say instead "that's not a priority right now" and see how that makes you feel. Current Challenge: Get going! External: Epic Quest - Instagram - Strava Spoiler Previous Challenges: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 Old Stuff: Battle Log - My Introduction - 2017 Road Map - 2018 Road Map - 2019 Road Map - 2021 Road Map - 2022 road map/wrap-up Link to comment
TimovieMan Posted November 29, 2023 Report Share Posted November 29, 2023 Oops, forgot to log here... Starting weight: 92.4 kg / 203.6 lbs 10/09: 92.95 kg / 204.9 lbs 18/09: 93.95 kg / 207.1 lbs 25/09: 93.10 kg / 205.3 lbs 30/09: 91.90 kg / 202.6 lbs 06/10: 91.10 kg / 200.8 lbs 13/10: 90.30 kg / 199.1 lbs 20/10: 90.80 kg / 200.2 lbs 27/10: 90.30 kg / 199.1 lbs 13/11: 91.85 kg / 202.5 lbs 17/11: 90.40 kg / 199.3 lbs 24/11: 92.05 kg / 202.9 lbs (+1.65 / +3.6) Yo-yo in full effect. But this was kind of expected after the previous weekend's food shenanigans. I'm continuing for the holiday weeks as well, but it'll mostly be on damage control with a planned post-New Year respawn... 6 Quote TimovieMan: funnier than you think he is; not as funny as he thinks he is... Active challenges: Don't log, remain sensible | Walk to Mordor - (spreadsheet) | DailyDare | Weight Loss PVP 10/12 lbs in 10/12 weeks - (spreadsheet) Old threads: Battle log | Challenge I | II | III | IV | V | VI | VII | VIII | IX | X | XI | XII | XIII | XIV | XV | XVI | XVII | XVIII | XIX | XX | XXI | XXII | XXIII Link to comment
Guest Posted November 29, 2023 Report Share Posted November 29, 2023 I heard this was getting extended and decided to join in for the rest of the year. Current weight 152. Goal 140 Waist 30, height 5'7" Baby #2 is 6 months old. My weight has been stable for about 4 months. I KNOW part of the reason I'm not losing weight is lack of sleep (and a healthy dose of PPD in there too). But also my base calorie burn just isn't what it used to be because I haven't reclaimed my bike commute and scooted my metabolism back in the right direction. I HAVE been climbing at the gym and power lifting, so I think I have put some muscle back where it belongs. Hop over to my challenges for that info. Quote Link to comment
Snarkyfishguts Posted November 30, 2023 Author Report Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/28/2023 at 9:01 AM, Elennare said: but it would be lovely if I could get the number to drop before Friday so I can record something nice for my end/start of the month stats. I believe in you! On 11/28/2023 at 9:29 AM, Jarric said: I feel like it's a good time to jump in It’s a great time! Welcome!! 14 hours ago, DaemonCorax said: Baby #2 is 6 months old. Oooh babies! I am rooting for you to sleep well next month! 1 Quote Link to comment
WhiteGhost Posted December 2, 2023 Report Share Posted December 2, 2023 Well, I seem to have fallen off the map for the last half of this one, and my weight gains prove it. I have filled in the spreadsheet but the short of it is that I finished the regular season 2.5kgs above where I started. Let's see if I can do anything about that in the post season. 3 Quote HUNTER OF ALL THINGS SHINY Intro Thread Challenge Log Bodyweight Exercise Library Recipe Book Shuffle Club Level 2 Ninja Strength: 13 Intelligence: 14 Wisdom: 6 Dexterity:14 Constitution: 12 Charisma: 11 Link to comment
Snarkyfishguts Posted December 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 15 hours ago, WhiteGhost said: Well, I seem to have fallen off the map for the last half of this one, and my weight gains prove it. I have filled in the spreadsheet but the short of it is that I finished the regular season 2.5kgs above where I started. Let's see if I can do anything about that in the post season. Yes! You absolutely can! Quote Link to comment
Sovalis Posted December 3, 2023 Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 I'm 273.0 according to my latest scan from Friday, *and* I bought pants that are two sizes smaller than what I was wearing this summer when I went pants shopping on Thursday. Woot! 4 1 Quote Past Challenges: #1, #2, #3, #4, #5, #6, #7, #8, #9, #10, #11, #12, #13, #14, #15, #16 Current Challenge: #17 “Finish each day and be done with it. You have done what you could. Some blunders and absurdities no doubt crept in; forget them as soon as you can. Tomorrow is a new day. You shall begin it serenely and with too high a spirit to be encumbered with your old nonsense.” ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson Link to comment
Snarkyfishguts Posted December 3, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Sovalis said: I'm 273.0 according to my latest scan from Friday, *and* I bought pants that are two sizes smaller than what I was wearing this summer when I went pants shopping on Thursday. Woot! This is fantastic!! 1 Quote Link to comment
Snarkyfishguts Posted December 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 Start weight: 231 9/11- 230.3 9/18-227.3 9/25- 227.3 10/2- 229.5 10/9-228.3 10/16-225.2 10/23-224.5 10/30- 226.5 11/6- 228 11/13- 229 11/20- 228 11/28- 230 12/4- 227.8 I am so relieved! I weighed 233 on Friday and I was so upset by it. But my mother had reminded me that I had a pretty intense yard work day moving logs and rocks. So we did some walking and I stretched a lot, but mostly rested all weekend, just focusing on eating well. Now it's a new week! I'm aiming for anywhere in 226 next week. 5 Quote Link to comment
Darciana Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 09/11 - 153.9 09/18 - 155.1 09/25 - 152.9 10/02 - 152.5 10/09 (birthday weigh in!) - 153.3 10/16 - 152.9 10/23 - 152.7 10/30 - 153.7 11/06 - 155.2 11/13 - 154.5 11/20 - 157.2 11/27 - 155.9 12/04 - 154.6 12/11 12/18 12/25 01/01 Dropped a lot of travel/holiday weight (this is Friday's weight). I've regained a smidgen this weekend due to some emotional news. If work approves, I'll leave Tuesday (tomorrow) and return Saturday or Sunday from an impromptu trip to Arkansas for a funeral. I'm allowing myself to grieve (again.......) and simply doing my best to listen to my body. Travel is always a challenge with the scale. I'm packing workout clothes in case I can sneak away in the mornings while there. We have an AirBnB so hopefully some "home" cooking and not strictly eating out this entire time. I'll do my best. When it rains, it pours, right? Holidays are hard enough to stay on track with and then travel? I'm now just hoping to come out of this extended travel in the 150s or lower! 6 Quote You don't have to be perfect, you just have to be better than you were before. Do that every day and you will succeed. Link to comment
TimovieMan Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 Starting weight: 92.35 kg / 203.6 lbs 10/09: 92.95 kg / 204.9 lbs 18/09: 93.95 kg / 207.1 lbs 25/09: 93.10 kg / 205.3 lbs 30/09: 91.90 kg / 202.6 lbs 06/10: 91.10 kg / 200.8 lbs 13/10: 90.30 kg / 199.1 lbs 20/10: 90.80 kg / 200.2 lbs 27/10: 90.30 kg / 199.1 lbs 13/11: 91.85 kg / 202.5 lbs 17/11: 90.40 kg / 199.3 lbs 24/11: 92.05 kg / 202.9 lbs 01/12: 92.40 kg / 203.7 lbs (+0.35 / +0.8) It's "Sinterklaas" week and the house is chock-full with chocolate, candy, cookies and other incredibly tempting but insanely unhealthy stuff. I'm basically living in a delicious hell. So the weight is not going to go the right way, and it probably won't next week either. Then I'll have two weeks of reprieve (where most of the stuff we have now will have been eaten) before the Christmas and New Year's food shenanigans will begin. I'm looking forward to all the food. I'm not looking forward to the scale numbers afterwards... ? 4 2 Quote TimovieMan: funnier than you think he is; not as funny as he thinks he is... Active challenges: Don't log, remain sensible | Walk to Mordor - (spreadsheet) | DailyDare | Weight Loss PVP 10/12 lbs in 10/12 weeks - (spreadsheet) Old threads: Battle log | Challenge I | II | III | IV | V | VI | VII | VIII | IX | X | XI | XII | XIII | XIV | XV | XVI | XVII | XVIII | XIX | XX | XXI | XXII | XXIII Link to comment
DrFeelgood Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 09-02: 246.9 lbs (start) 10-15: 231.0 lbs (-3.1) 11-25: 224.7 lbs (-0.6) 09-09: 242.2 lbs (-4.7) 10-21: 230.9 lbs (-0.1) 12-02: 222.7 lbs (-2.0) 09-16: 238.8 lbs (-3.4) 10-28: 228.2 lbs (-2.7) 12-09: 09-23: 237.7 lbs (-1.1) 11-04: 227.1 lbs (-1.1) 12-16: 09-30: 234.1 lbs (-3.6) 11-11: 225.5 lbs (-1.6) 12-23: 10-08: 234.1 lbs (-0.0) 11-18: 225.3 lbs (-0.2) 12-30: Back on form for the week--well, most of it anyways. Sticking to my calorie targets and exercise goals has pushed the rate of weight loss back up, and I'm if able to sustain it over the next three weeks then I could be in the middle teens, which would give me some margin for the birthday-Christmas-birthday gauntlet week. Clothes are fitting better, although I'm battling some bloat this morning that's keeping my belt from cinching up like it did all last week. It'll subside--I had a busy weekend. I'm betting that a hard push this week might just crack that 220-line, so that's what I'm aiming for. 5 Quote He has showed you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God? Link to comment
Jarric Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 2 hours ago, Darciana said: Holidays are hard enough to stay on track with and then travel? I'm now just hoping to come out of this extended travel in the 150s or lower! Travel is a real killer! Good on you for losing a chunk of the last lot of travel weight, it's always tough after a bit of time out of routine 16 minutes ago, TimovieMan said: I'm basically living in a delicious hell. Beautifully put 3 Quote Level 21 Wood Elf Ranger STR: 18 - CON: 22 - CHA: 11 - SAN: 19 - INT: 17 IAgreeWithTank™ "Shit is going down, but I am not." - iatetheyeti Don't say "I don't have enough time", say instead "that's not a priority right now" and see how that makes you feel. Current Challenge: Get going! External: Epic Quest - Instagram - Strava Spoiler Previous Challenges: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 Old Stuff: Battle Log - My Introduction - 2017 Road Map - 2018 Road Map - 2019 Road Map - 2021 Road Map - 2022 road map/wrap-up Link to comment
Shello Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 2 hours ago, Darciana said: Dropped a lot of travel/holiday weight (this is Friday's weight). I've regained a smidgen this weekend due to some emotional news. If work approves, I'll leave Tuesday (tomorrow) and return Saturday or Sunday from an impromptu trip to Arkansas for a funeral. I'm allowing myself to grieve (again.......) and simply doing my best to listen to my body. Travel is always a challenge with the scale. I'm packing workout clothes in case I can sneak away in the mornings while there. We have an AirBnB so hopefully some "home" cooking and not strictly eating out this entire time. I'll do my best. When it rains, it pours, right? Holidays are hard enough to stay on track with and then travel? I'm now just hoping to come out of this extended travel in the 150s or lower! Sorry to hear you got some sad news. 16 minutes ago, TimovieMan said: I'm basically living in a delicious hell. So the weight is not going to go the right way, and it probably won't next week either. Then I'll have two weeks of reprieve (where most of the stuff we have now will have been eaten) before the Christmas and New Year's food shenanigans will begin. I'm looking forward to all the food. I'm not looking forward to the scale numbers afterwards... ? MMM! 1 1 Quote Race: Amazonian Ogre Princess | Class: Ranger | Profession: SuperHero | Affiliation: Doodlie and Pancake for Life Respawn Challenge Arcs: 2021 | 2022 I am not saying I am Wonder Woman. I am just saying no one has ever seen me and Wonder Woman together in the same room. Original Spawn Challenges 2014 - 2020: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 , 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, ?? Roadmaps: 2016 | 2017 | 2018 | 2019 | 2020 Starting weight = 290.4 (2014); Current weight = 241.2; Total pounds lost: 49.2 Link to comment
Jarric Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 Date Weight Weight change 23/10/2023 174.1 -2.3 30/10/2023 171.8 0.9 06/11/2023 172.7 0.8 13/11/2023 173.5 -0.8 20/11/2023 172.7 -1.4 27/11/2023 171.3 0.5 04/12/2023 171.8 11/12/2023 18/12/2023 25/12/2023 01/01/2024 Up half a pound on last week, and it's no surprise. I wasn't particularly strict on calories at the start of the week, and then Friday night I hit a new calorie tracking high score at the office Christmas party . On top of that I skipped one run at the weekend and cut the other one short, so that's a few hundred more calories I didn't burn. This week includes at least 2 Christmas parties, and I won't spoil them by worrying too much about my weight while I'm at them so I'm just going to have to be extra disciplined for the days in between them. 4 Quote Level 21 Wood Elf Ranger STR: 18 - CON: 22 - CHA: 11 - SAN: 19 - INT: 17 IAgreeWithTank™ "Shit is going down, but I am not." - iatetheyeti Don't say "I don't have enough time", say instead "that's not a priority right now" and see how that makes you feel. Current Challenge: Get going! External: Epic Quest - Instagram - Strava Spoiler Previous Challenges: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 Old Stuff: Battle Log - My Introduction - 2017 Road Map - 2018 Road Map - 2019 Road Map - 2021 Road Map - 2022 road map/wrap-up Link to comment
Shello Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 Starting Weight 271.2 9/11: 269.7 ( -1.5) 9/18: 270.4 (+ 0.7) 9/25: 269.3 ( -1.1) 10/2: 268.7 ( -0.6) 10/9: 270 ( +1.3) 10/16: 270.5 ( +0.5) 10/23: 269.4 ( -1.1) 10/30: 267.0 (-2.4) 11/6: 267.3 (+0.3) 11/13: 264.4 (-2.9) 11/20: 264.8 (+0.4) 11/27: 266.8 (+2.0) 12/4: 264.2 (-2.6) That's more like it. I dropped the Thanksgiving bloat and still trucking. Thinking about a strategy for Christmas that will keep the gain to a minimum and Gasp! maybe even lose a little. It will be difficult to hit the 250's spending 4 days in my own delicious hell. But there's still time before then so I'm going to keep my eye on the prize. 5 Quote Race: Amazonian Ogre Princess | Class: Ranger | Profession: SuperHero | Affiliation: Doodlie and Pancake for Life Respawn Challenge Arcs: 2021 | 2022 I am not saying I am Wonder Woman. I am just saying no one has ever seen me and Wonder Woman together in the same room. Original Spawn Challenges 2014 - 2020: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 , 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, ?? Roadmaps: 2016 | 2017 | 2018 | 2019 | 2020 Starting weight = 290.4 (2014); Current weight = 241.2; Total pounds lost: 49.2 Link to comment
Snarkyfishguts Posted December 4, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 I’m laughing at everyone’s delicious hells. It sounds so merry and fun and I hope you have a blast! 5 Quote Link to comment
Chaser Avens Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 Starting: 203.0 10/15: 199.5 10/23: 202.5 10/30: 201.5 11/06: 199.5 11/12: 200.5 11/20-ish: 198.4 12/4: 198.0 Phew, it's been a busy couple weeks and I've missed you all! Still be working on this stuff, just not making the time to log here so this one's a catch-up post. Got in on a DietBet game with a friend, so really having to up my game to get my money back (wow, great motivation!) and so have been enjoying working on eating better and working out with much greater focus. Hope all is going well for everyone here! 6 Quote Previous Challenges - ? Boggarts ? Beginnings Link to comment
The Most Loathed Posted December 4, 2023 Report Share Posted December 4, 2023 September 11 - 219.9 September 18 - 220.7 September 25 - 218.0 October 2 - 216.0 October 9 - 215.4 October 16 - 213.8 October 23 - 215.5 October 30 - 212.6 November 6 - 216.3 November 13 - 215.5 November 20 - 215.7 November 27 - 213.8 December 4 - 213.3 I've slowly lost 2.3 lbs over the past two weeks, based on summing my averages. I've only got three weeks left in the year. I'm torn between going hyper caloric for three weeks by adding 500 calories per day or just committing to my next weight loss early. In other news, my new jeans mostly fit. They're Madewell Athletic Slim and despite being advertised as having "extra room for muscle" they're tight in the thighs. They feel like a skinny jean on me but I do have big legs. I still have some relaxed fit coming which I think will be the better fit. 5 Quote You can't spell Slaughter without laughter Link to comment
Elennare Posted December 5, 2023 Report Share Posted December 5, 2023 On 11/28/2023 at 9:01 AM, Elennare said: ... it would be lovely if I could get the number to drop before Friday so I can record something nice for my end/start of the month stats. It definitely did not. In fact, it's been going up, a lot, every day since then. Going to record tomorrow, no matter what it is, because that's apparently where I am right now. And, I have decided I'm going to take the rest of the year off. Going to record whatever tomorrow is in my planner, then again on New Year's Eve, but otherwise I'm staying off the scale. It's not doing what I want, I'm not actively doing anything about it, and right now seeing that fact is not helping my mental health. I've got enough other stressful stuff going on so I'm letting this one go entirely through the end of the year. Good luck to everyone, hope you have lovely holidays (whichever ones you celebrate!), and I'll see you all again in 2024 where I *will* be successful! 5 Quote Wood Elf Waywatcher Mandalorian (Assassin/Ranger hybrid) Link to comment
Jarric Posted December 6, 2023 Report Share Posted December 6, 2023 19 hours ago, Elennare said: It definitely did not. In fact, it's been going up, a lot, every day since then. Going to record tomorrow, no matter what it is, because that's apparently where I am right now. And, I have decided I'm going to take the rest of the year off. Going to record whatever tomorrow is in my planner, then again on New Year's Eve, but otherwise I'm staying off the scale. It's not doing what I want, I'm not actively doing anything about it, and right now seeing that fact is not helping my mental health. I've got enough other stressful stuff going on so I'm letting this one go entirely through the end of the year. Good luck to everyone, hope you have lovely holidays (whichever ones you celebrate!), and I'll see you all again in 2024 where I *will* be successful! Sounds like an excellent plan - if the scale isn't making you happy, and it isn't making you motivated, then ditch it and enjoy your Christmas! You will be successful in 2024. 3 Quote Level 21 Wood Elf Ranger STR: 18 - CON: 22 - CHA: 11 - SAN: 19 - INT: 17 IAgreeWithTank™ "Shit is going down, but I am not." - iatetheyeti Don't say "I don't have enough time", say instead "that's not a priority right now" and see how that makes you feel. Current Challenge: Get going! External: Epic Quest - Instagram - Strava Spoiler Previous Challenges: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 56 57 58 59 60 61 62 63 64 65 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 Old Stuff: Battle Log - My Introduction - 2017 Road Map - 2018 Road Map - 2019 Road Map - 2021 Road Map - 2022 road map/wrap-up Link to comment
Snarkyfishguts Posted December 7, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2023 On 12/5/2023 at 1:31 PM, Elennare said: It definitely did not. In fact, it's been going up, a lot, every day since then. Going to record tomorrow, no matter what it is, because that's apparently where I am right now. And, I have decided I'm going to take the rest of the year off. Going to record whatever tomorrow is in my planner, then again on New Year's Eve, but otherwise I'm staying off the scale. It's not doing what I want, I'm not actively doing anything about it, and right now seeing that fact is not helping my mental health. I've got enough other stressful stuff going on so I'm letting this one go entirely through the end of the year. Good luck to everyone, hope you have lovely holidays (whichever ones you celebrate!), and I'll see you all again in 2024 where I *will* be successful! I agree with @Jarric. Your health is the most important thing, and if this is adding to your stress, that's not helping your health. I hope your holiday is fantastic, and that you find yourself surrounded by good food and good company ? Yer a part of our crew now, and even if you take a bit of shore leave, you've always got a spot on board when you're ready to come back. 2 Quote Link to comment
Snarkyfishguts Posted December 8, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2023 I did not fully appreciate how much emotional support food played into my holidays until this year when I am not dealing with all the various stuff with food. Sigh. It’s been great in some ways, but I find myself wistfully wishing cake was a vegetable. 4 Quote Link to comment
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