[SPOILERS]Episode VII: The Force Awakens [SPOILERS]

[Bullroarer Took]

They actually did allude to Palpatine being Anakin's "dad" in the prequels.  Something along the lines of "influence the midichlorians to create life".  

 

I think that was a reference to Palpatine's master Darth Plagueis the Wise.  Some assert that he is the Supreme leader.

[Tanktimus the Encourager]

If you remember the tragedy of Darth Plagueis his apprentice (Palpatine/Sidious) killed him.

[Raincloak]

is that a tragedy?  Maybe in the classical "man doomed by his refusal to change" sense, but if you ask me, anybody going around calling himself "Darth Plagueis" is tempting karma.

[Bullroarer Took]

If you remember the tragedy of Darth Plagueis his apprentice (Palpatine/Sidious) killed him.

 

The theory is that Palpatine could have been wrong about that he had the power to save others but not himself.  Wouldn't be so out of character for a Master to withhold information from a student.  In the now noncannon EU there's plenty of body switches, etc

[Sam Ashen]

*finally* saw it yesterday and read through the first four pages of this thread.

 

In as much as I know I am going to be on the wrong side of this debate, I don't think Rey is Luke Skywalker's daughter.  I have not seen any evidence of him getting a girl.  It is possible it happened after RotJ, but nothing in the background story says anything about a wife.  The alternative is Leia's daughter, but then I think Han Solo would have recognized her when he recaptured his ship.  The only other possibility I can think of is she is much younger than Kylo Ren and Luke hid her on a remote planet when he turned to the Dark Side.  (And I already crossed that out because I doubt that he is portrayed in his early 30's and she in her late teens.)  So I am going back to the part I put in bold and underline.

 

I liked her as a character.  They developed her well.

 

Kylo Ren - Uh.  He.  Is.  Simply.  Not.  As.  Bad.  Ass.  As.  His.  Grandfather.

Darth Vader had incompetent Generals who failed him.  He force-choked him and then promoted a replacement.

Kylo Ren had an incompetent General who failed him.  He pulled out his Light Saber and whacked something expensive.  Whack the General!

[Kes]

Maybe Kylo Ren is in his mid-30s, and Rey is his daughter.

 

I don't really believe it, but figured I'd throw that out there since it's just about the only suggestion which hasn't been made.

[Sam Ashen]

Maybe Kylo Ren is in his mid-30s, and Rey is his daughter.

 

I don't really believe it, but figured I'd throw that out there since it's just about the only suggestion which hasn't been made.

 

Credit for being original!  Okay.  I am looking at the Wikipedia article.

 

Assuming "Approximately 30 years" as being within one year, then Kylo Ren could be as much as 28 or 29 years old.  I don't think the "Rey is Ren's Daughter" theory is very likely.  A much younger sibling Rey might be 16 years old.  So Ren went Dark Side at the age of 16.  She was hidden away at 4.

 

I think my "Happy Accident" Theory will fall.  That leaves Luke as the father.  The next question is when did he find himself a lady?  What happened to her?

[Girl-Meet-World]

What about the theory that she's a kenobi?

http://ben-solo-ren.tumblr.com/post/136478330750/why-i-believe-rey-is-a-solo

[Gainsdalf the Whey]

My guess is that if they do go the Luke parentage route, that his wife was a force sensitive person he found and a possible padawan or teacher at his academy. She died with the rest, lending more to credence to why Luke ran away from it all.

[Bullroarer Took]

I had a coworker telling me about the theory Rey is Anakin reborn since he did not "balance" the force.  Haven't read or watched it yet but another interesting theory.

[BLACKBOARD MONITOR]

I had a coworker telling me about the theory Rey is Anakin reborn since he did not "balance" the force.  Haven't read or watched it yet but another interesting theory.

I really hope that isn't the case.

[Oramac]

I really hope that isn't the case.

 

Me too.  

[Strickland5]

I think we can all agree that this guy

 

 

kind of stole the movie

 

[Gainsdalf the Whey]

Yeah, Nines was pretty badass. Cheap shot by Solo.

[Tialoredron]

As it should be!

[Bullroarer Took]

Heard a new one today.  Snoke is Kylo Ren from the future.  Theres some short youtube videos about it.

[Starstuff]

If he is, they were really sloppy with his scarring. Kylo Ren is shown at the end with a significant lightsaber cut on his right cheek and only a faint one on his forehead. Snoke has a huge forehead scar, further up than Ren's, and no visible scarring on his right cheek (although he does have some on his left).

[Oramac]

Saw it for the 3rd time today.  This time in 3D for kicks.  I took away 3 new things from it:

 

1.  The 3D version is definitely worth seeing at least once.  It doesn't blow away the 2D version, and I probably won't buy it in 3D, but there are 5 or 6 shots in 3D that look absolutely effing badass.

 

2.  R2D2 honestly kinda feels like a Deus Ex Machina.  Not because he had the map.  I can justify that.  But because of the timing that he "woke up".  I looked for one and didn't see anything that could feasibly trigger his waking up at that specific time.  

 

3.  Rey may not be evil, but she doesn't fight like a Jedi either.  Yoda said "A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense.  Never for attack".  During their final duel, Rey was playing it SUPER defensive right up until Kylo Ren reminded her about the Force.  After that little epiphany, she went berserk on him.  I feel confident in saying she used the Force for attack.  Which, incidentally, is something Luke did in ROTJ and Mace Windu did in ROTS.  Kinda makes me think Yoda could have been wrong.  Or at least oversimplifying things.  

[Grayspeed]

Kinda makes me think Yoda could have been wrong.  Or at least oversimplifying things.  

Typical Jedi philosophy. Never using the force for attack doesn't really make any sense in a fight. Yoda himself gets pretty brutal in Episode 3 when he and Obi-Wan take out the clones at the Jedi temple. 

[Bullroarer Took]

 

 

 

 

3.  Rey may not be evil, but she doesn't fight like a Jedi either.  Yoda said "A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense.  Never for attack".  During their final duel, Rey was playing it SUPER defensive right up until Kylo Ren reminded her about the Force.  After that little epiphany, she went berserk on him.  I feel confident in saying she used the Force for attack.  Which, incidentally, is something Luke did in ROTJ and Mace Windu did in ROTS.  Kinda makes me think Yoda could have been wrong.  Or at least oversimplifying things.  

I wouldn't expect Rey to untrained (as far as we know).  My typical interpretation of Luke in ROTJ was he was in fact drawing on the dark side at that time and losing himself to aggression.  Mace Windu used Vaapad, a technique of ferocity channeling his inner darkness and serving as a conduit of the aggression and passion of one's opponent.  It seemed to be a gray area as well. 

 

I think it was an ideal.  More of a guideline than an actual rule.

 

 

EDIT: Also, the 3D is awesome.  I nearly ducked from a Star destroyer.

[Gainsdalf the Whey]

But in all those cases they were fighting in defense of the galaxy. You can seek out a fight in order to stop an aggressor from hurting something or someone else, and still be fighting in defense of something even if you're the aggressor in that specific instance.

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[Oramac]

Typical Jedi philosophy. Never using the force for attack doesn't really make any sense in a fight. Yoda himself gets pretty brutal in Episode 3 when he and Obi-Wan take out the clones at the Jedi temple. 

That he does.  

 

 

 

 

I wouldn't expect Rey to untrained (as far as we know).  My typical interpretation of Luke in ROTJ was he was in fact drawing on the dark side at that time and losing himself to aggression.  Mace Windu used Vaapad, a technique of ferocity channeling his inner darkness and serving as a conduit of the aggression and passion of one's opponent.  It seemed to be a gray area as well. 

 

I think it was an ideal.  More of a guideline than an actual rule.

 

 

EDIT: Also, the 3D is awesome.  I nearly ducked from a Star destroyer.

 

 

 

But in all those cases they were fighting in defense of the galaxy. You can seek out a fight in order to stop an aggressor from hurting something or someone else, and still be fighting in defense of something even if you're the aggressor in that specific instance.

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True, but Yoda did say "Never for attack."  Which kinda defeats the purpose of using offense as your defense.  

 

For the record, I agree with you.  Just pointing out that Yoda may not have, if we take him literally.  

[PolishRifle]

Yoda attacked the clones sneaking up on him when Order 66 was issued.

[Oramac]

Yoda attacked the clones sneaking up on him when Order 66 was issued.

 

And he said the famous quote after doing that.  Did his opinion change after fighting the Emperor and seeing Anakin turn?  (rhetorical.  Not trying to start a big discussion)

 

In any case, I just thought it was interesting that Rey switched from defense to offense when the Force was mentioned. 

[Mark D]

I saw it yesterday, and here's a copy of the review I put on FB:

 

 The good:

The old characters are still there, just a little older. Harrison Ford is still the loveable scoundrel, just a bit older, wiser, and sadder. Oh,my thoughts when he died were "I guess Harrison Ford REALLY didn't want to do another Star Wars movie".

 

The effects were everything they SHOULD be at this stage, with very little if any break between live action and special effect. I don't once recall saying "That looks computer generated". 

 

No annoying characters (Jar Jar call your office).

 

Plenty of action, excitement, close-calls, in other words the things that made the original trilogy so great and the lack of which made the prequel trilogy stink like month-old fish left on the beach.

 

The not-so-good:

The Darth Vader type character replaced with a silly little emo putz. Yeah, I know, Anakin. The thing is he went thru his emo phase BEFORE the forces of evil put him in charge. 

 

The movie had a kind-of Hunger Games vibe, with a young girl kicking everyone's butt. Seriously, Luke Skywalker trained intensively under Yoda before he was ready to take on Darth Vader, while Rey takes on the best the First Order has to offer the very first time she picks up a light saber.

 

We have a droid with information BOTH sides want. Stop me if you've heard that before.

 

We have to destroy the space station, er, planet with a world-destroying weapon built into it. And we've figured out where we have to attack to do so. Stop me if you heard that before.

 

In order to do so we need to send in ground forces to bring down the shield. Stop me if you've heard THAT before.

 

The silly:

I'd say the cross guard is the silliest addition to the basic light saber ever, except I DID see The Phantom Menace so I saw the double-ended light saber. Really, it seems easy enough to accidentally cut yourself in half with a light saber,then you add something that'll cut your hand in half if it slides down just a little?

 

Can someone PLEASE fix the hyperdrive in the Millenium Falcon?

 

So all told I'd rank it as not as good as the original trilogy, but better than the prequels.