Rise Above (the Pull-Up Bar!)

[Kestrel Grey]

I'm in! And (machine) assisted pull ups are the same thing as band assisted pull ups in my mind.

[Tobbe]

17 hours ago, Rhovaniel said:

3. Negative Pull-up

4. Band Assisted Pull-Up

 

How about negative chin-up and assisted chin-up?

 

1 hour ago, Rhovaniel said:

Now, part of me is inclined to say no, machines don't count (we ARE machines!). But I'll open it up to everyone: Would you prefer they counted towards the points or not?

 

Assisted is assisted... I'm fine with counting machine assisted pull-ups (and chin-ups)

[jonfirestar]

1 hour ago, Rhovaniel said:

Now, part of me is inclined to say no, machines don't count (we ARE machines!). But I'll open it up to everyone: Would you prefer they counted towards the points or not?

By that logic we are also rubber bands  

 

I'm asking because it might affect how I structure my workout tomorrow. Since other assistance exercises don't count but I will be doing high volume pulling work either way. 

[Tobbe]

17 hours ago, Rhovaniel said:

2. Flex arm hold (like this)  

 

Just tried a "flex arm hold" for the first time in my life. 22 seconds was all I could do  so much more difficult than a regular dead hang! But still, two points are better than none  

[Jarric]

2 hours ago, Tobbe said:

 

Is it really that much easier to do a chin-up compared to a pull-up? I'll try chin-ups next time!

 

2 hours ago, jonfirestar said:

I can't actually do chin ups at all but I can do pull ups (that's a mobility issue in one of my arms) but you really should try different grip stances and grip widths. It feels like a much stronger stance when I'm using a neutral grip compared to an overhand grip, for instance. So it is certainly worth trying to see if you are able to get some. Just beware you can get really good at doing them one way and still not be able to do them another. That is because there is a skill element with pull ups as well as the strength element. 

 

I always train pullups and never chinups, and I think because of that I find them both about the same difficulty.

 

2 hours ago, Rhovaniel said:

 

 

2 hours ago, Rhovaniel said:

@Charlie_QuinnY

 

Now, part of me is inclined to say no, machines don't count (we ARE machines!). But I'll open it up to everyone: Would you prefer they counted towards the points or not?

 

I'd allow machine assisted - it's basically the same movement.

 

Also hi, I'm in for this!

[jonfirestar]

52 minutes ago, TimovieMan said:

^ Since I weigh more than Jon, I agree with Jon™.

You only just weigh more than me  I'm also going to gently point out that I was able to do pullups when I was 110kg too. I find it quite amusing to do pull ups when I'm at the gym because I don't look like someone who should be able to do them. I do draw some looks.

[Elastigirl]

Did 3 30 second holds for 3 points. Tomorrow I'm hoping to get some actual pull up points on the board. I'm trying to keep the pull ups to days I'm doing  shoulder training, and give my body actual rests.

 

Just noticed it's actually 1 pt, for every 10 seconds. That means I earned 9 points!

[Tobbe]

23 minutes ago, Elastigirl said:

I'm trying to keep the pull ups to days I'm doing  shoulder training, and give my body actual rests.

 

What's the general thoughts about rest here? I really want to get to that first pull-up/chin-up during this challenge. 

Is it most beneficial to train every day, or should I try to rest every other day? How much should I train on training days?

For simplicity we can assume all my training will consist of negatives (unless someone has a better idea) 

[Elastigirl]

3 minutes ago, Tobbe said:

 

What's the general thoughts about rest here? I really want to get to that first pull-up/chin-up during this challenge. 

Is it most beneficial to train every day, or should I try to rest every other day? How much should I train on training days?

For simplicity we can assume all my training will consist of negatives (unless someone has a better idea) 

Negatives can be hard on the joints. So, pay attention to that. If your elbows start feeling sore, or your shoulder is sore more than just DOMS, back off. I'd say listen to your body. If you do it every day, I'd do it in short burst, a few at a time, always under your max limit. Or If you do it every day, do bigger sets and go closer to your max. When I was going for my first pull up, doing it Grease the Groove style (small sets throughout the day) were what worked best. I did negatives, and half pulls, and standing on a chair reps.

 

 

I said I was going to do them every other day, but I feel the pull (ha) to do them more GTG style, so I may do them more frequently.

[Tobbe]

6 minutes ago, Elastigirl said:

Negatives can be hard on the joints. So, pay attention to that. If your elbows start feeling sore, or your shoulder is sore more than just DOMS, back off. I'd say listen to your body. If you do it every day, I'd do it in short burst, a few at a time, always under your max limit. Or If you do it every day, do bigger sets and go closer to your max. When I was going for my first pull up, doing it Grease the Groove style (small sets throughout the day) were what worked best. I did negatives, and half pulls, and standing on a chair reps.

 

Thanks for the advice

 

6 minutes ago, Elastigirl said:

but I feel the pull (ha)

[TimovieMan]

I tried to do a jumping chin-up. Only got to my nose. No points.

Then I tried a negative pull-up. Immediately dropped 10-15 cm. No points.

Then I tried a negative pull-up with neutral grip. Immediately dropped 10-15 cm as well. Again, no points.

 

Then I tried a negative chin-up and that worked! I don't think I would have been able to maintain a flex arm hold for long, so I didn't try for more than the two-three seconds I needed at the top of the chin-up before starting the negative. I finished the negative chin-up with 20 seconds of deadhang. That's 12 points!

I then went for the other grips, 40 seconds of wide overhand grip and 30 seconds of neutral grip. That's another 7 points.

 

Will probably try again before going to bed.

[Tobbe]

11 minutes ago, TimovieMan said:

I tried to do a jumping chin-up. Only got to my nose. No points.

Then I tried a negative pull-up. Immediately dropped 10-15 cm. No points.

Then I tried a negative pull-up with neutral grip. Immediately dropped 10-15 cm as well. Again, no points.

 

11 minutes ago, TimovieMan said:

Then I tried a negative chin-up and that worked!

 

Yay for not giving up! Well done!

[WhiteGhost]

Did my pull workout this morning which included multiple sets of various kinds of pullups (L-Sit, Archer, Commando, Behind the Head, etc.) but I only counted the ones that involved pulling from a straight arm hang position to a chin above the bar position.  I don't know if I am going to get any more pullups again until week 3, though.

[Rhovaniel]

I'm loving that we're on the second page already! 

 

Anyway, regarding exercises. I'll allow machine assisted, because I did open that to the floor and the general consensus seems to be yes for that. So a machine assisted rep earns 10 points. And a negative or assisted chin up is fine. Each one will also earn 10 points. 

 

However, these will be the only amendments made, because one of the major things I had in mind with this challenge was simplicity and clear criteria for what counts and what doesn't. It's why I put this line into my original post:

 

On ‎11‎/‎26‎/‎2018 at 9:42 PM, Rhovaniel said:

- For the sake of simplicity and to avoid confusion, ONLY THESE EXERCISES COUNT as a 10 point/rep:

 

It has nothing to do with the validity of any other exercises proposed, just that I don't want what counts to be changing throughout the challenge. 

 

Hope this is okay with everyone!

[Tobbe]

12 minutes ago, Rhovaniel said:

Hope this is okay with everyone!

 

[jonfirestar]

1 hour ago, Rhovaniel said:

Hope this is okay with everyone!

 

 

Well, that's 610 points this morning. High volume periodization FTW. Mostly assisted pullups for volume but 5 sets of full pullups for strength too. Rather like @WhiteGhost I'm only doing one big pull workout a week so this is the vast majority of the points I'll get until next Wednesday. Some reps will happen Friday to balance out the OHP work I'm doing but nothing at this volume. 

[Charlie_Quinn]

50 points to me yesterday for 5 standing pull-ups. Did these GtG throughout the day. 

[TimovieMan]

12 hours ago, TimovieMan said:

Will probably try again before going to bed.

Well, I did.

Flex arm hold (chin-up grip) for 10 seconds, followed by a negative chin-up, followed by 20 seconds of deadhang for 13 points.

And then I did some more deadhangs, 30 seconds with a wide overhand grip, and 20 seconds with a neutral grip for another 5 points.

 

Will try to make this a daily routine. Add it to my 10-minute "right before bed" mini-workout.

[Rhovaniel]

How are everyone's abs and shoulders today? Day one of my new pull-up workout programme yesterday and today I couldn't even bring myself to hang off the bar. Ouchie DOMS!

[TimovieMan]

 

21 minutes ago, Rhovaniel said:

How are everyone's abs and shoulders today? Day one of my new pull-up workout programme yesterday and today I couldn't even bring myself to hang off the bar. Ouchie DOMS!

I'd done some extra abs work yesterday and I immediately noticed how hard I'd worked them on the bar. I started trembling 20 seconds in during a front plank. That usually only happens after 50 seconds. Still finished all my sets, and I'm relatively DOMS free today. Will probably be worse tomorrow.

 

Still decided to take an off day today, though.  

[Tobbe]

12 hours ago, Rhovaniel said:

How are everyone's abs and shoulders today? Day one of my new pull-up workout programme yesterday and today I couldn't even bring myself to hang off the bar. Ouchie DOMS!

 

Yeah, I took the day off  Usually day two is worse though, so we'll see how my scheduled regular workout goes  

[Kestrel Grey]

3 sets of 7 assisted pull-ups at the gym yesterday for 210 points, plus 4 points from randomly hanging from the bar when I wandered by.

[Tobbe]

Had rows in my workout plan for the day, but switched them out for negative chins instead because of this challenge  

 

4 sets of 8 negatives, plus 2 sets of 45 sec dead hangs gives me 320 + 8 = 328 points today  

[Tobbe]

Entering the score I see that I'm only two points behind the one above me in the ranking. So close! Can't just leave it at that! BRB!  

[Tobbe]

Three negative pull-ups and I'm in second place instead of third