nianjufe Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 5 hours ago, Scalyfreak said: AP = ? And after I made my post I remembered that my high school forced us to read Strindberg, so I have no room to talk... ? The horror! I actually am unfamiliar with this author, but by your statment....I will probably stay away until I'm sufficiently motivated ? AP = Advanced Placement (like graduate work but for HS students) 3 hours ago, Defining said: Waitwait, you guys did Leo Tolstoy in high school?!? Dude, we had to pick one of his to read in grade 8. Now I'm jealous. ? 2 hours ago, Scalyfreak said: I've always suspected that if the assigned reading in school wasn't forced on us, we'd appreciate at least some of those books a lot more. Agreed! Probably the reason Sci Fi/Fantasy and crime novels are so popular, don't see much of those in a traditional classroom. PS, I'm loving everyone's book suggestions thank you to all! My list just keeps on growing? 4 Quote NF Character Current Challenge Intro Post, Battle Log "Faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see." Hebrews 11:1 Link to comment
Mad Hatter Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 My traumatising HS moment was reading The Dwarf by Pär Lagerkvist. As a goodreads reviewer put it Quote Recommends it for: people who enjoy the smell of methadone and sadness in the morning Shelves: fiction , own , make-you-put-a-gun-in-your-mouth 6 1 Quote Link to comment
Renate Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 Great challenge! I just got Jules Verne's Around the world in 80 days on my phone. I am excited! And got to chapter 4 in the train. (Have read 20.000 leagues under the sea on paper some years back.) Last year I had the goal to read 8 books and managed, mostly aided by the Artemis Fowl series & two books by Agatha Christie. But quite happy with that. This year let's go for 9 books! (When abook is 400 pages I will count it for 2 because I am difficult with reading for fun.) Honestly enjoy many genres... and I like the idea of reading many books. I just find it difficult to do things without deadlines Then again, when I decreased my mobile fidgetting and replaced i by reading I started reading more. We will see if I can keep that up. 4 Quote Level ☆ human [uncategorizable] STR 2 | DEX 3 | CON 3 | STA 3 | WIS 6 | CHA 6 Link to comment
Scaly Freak Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 31 minutes ago, Mad Hatter said: My traumatising HS moment was reading The Dwarf by Pär Lagerkvist. Oh good lord yes. The Law of Jante wasn't very pleasant either. 1 Quote The Great Reading Thread of 2024 “I've always believed that failure is non-existent. What is failure? You go to the end of the season, then you lose the Super Bowl. Is that failing? To most people, maybe. But when you're picking apart why you failed, and now you're learning from that, then is that really failing? I don't think so." - Kobe Bryant, 1978-2020. Rest in peace, great warrior. Personal Challenges, a.k.a.The Saga of Scalyfreak: Tutorial; Ch 1; Ch 2; Ch 3; Ch 4; Ch 5; Ch 6; Intermission; Intermission II; Ch 7; Ch 8; Ch 9; Ch 10; Ch 11; Ch 12 ; Ch 13; Ch 14; Ch 15; Ch 16; Ch 17; Intermission III; Ch 18; Ch 19; Ch 20; Ch 21; Ch 22; Ch 23; Ch 24; Ch 25; Intermission IV; Ch 26; Ch 27; Ch 28; Ch 29; Ch 30; Ch 31; Ch 32; Ch 33; Ch 34; Ch 35; Ch 36; Ch 37; Ch 38; Ch 39; Ch 40; Intermission V; Ch 41; Ch 42; Ch 43; Ch 44; Ch 45; Ch 46; Ch 47; Intermission VI; Ch 48; Ch 49; Ch 50; Ch 51; Intermission VI Link to comment
Morag Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 On 1/3/2020 at 5:13 PM, NeverThatBored said: What are some of your favorites? Maybe we can help you come up with a list of similar books? On 1/3/2020 at 5:25 PM, Defining said: 100% no metrics needed. Ha, I need metrics for my own damn self. I forget if I don't track. I have so many balls in the air, it's simply unkind to expect myself to remember. So I track. I love numbers and metrics, they are misleadingly objective, suggesting I have control over anything, really, it's comforting to have metrics... yes, I'm weird. Onto the favourite authors: I have read (and partially reread) all the books by Anne Bishop. Kelley Armstrong (Women of the Otherworld and Darkest Powers Trilogy) Ann Aguirre (Sirantha Jax 1-6) J. K. Rolling (loved HP, currently reading book 1 to my son) Charles de Lint ("Someplace to be flying" and "The wind in his heart" have to reread the first, was that the one with the house??) Jane Lindskold (Firekeeper series, never finished though, though I have read the first 2(3?) at least 3 times) Jonathan Stroud (Bartimäus) Kenneth Oppel (Silberflügel, currently my son is trying out book 1 on his own :so proud:) Mistborn (was that a Sanderson?) Jim Butcher (Dresden Files) Kevin Hearne (Iron Druid) Kiersten White (And I Darken Now I Rise Bright We Burn -LOVED THOSE BOOKS) Tamora Pierce (those circle books, read as far as circle opens 2 I believe, they spoke to me) Maggie Stiefvater (Shiver Linger Forever and RavenBoys too, but stuck on Dream Thief ugh) Naomi Novik (Uprooted was so good Spinning Silver not so much) Holy Black (Darkest Part of the Forest) Helen Harper (Slouch Witch - love her familiar! "Food! Bitch!") Taran Matharu (Summoner) Annie Bellet (20 sided Sorceress) Patricia Briggs (both Mercy Thompson as well as Alpha and Omega) Marion Zimmer Bradley (Nebel von Avalon) Steven Brust (Vlad Taltos series, Jhereg I've read at least 4 times -"Watched the place that watched the place that watched the front door. Determined it was unoccupied, then moved up a place. Did you get that?" -loved it!) Neil Gaiman (Ocean at the End of the Lane, Instructions, not many more yet) Joshua Gaylord (When we were Animals -so good!) Patrick Rothfuss (King Killer Chronicles - will rereread book 1 and reread book 2 when he ever publishes the last one - when, not if!) Graphic Novels Firefly season 2 and shepherd's tale and everything, really The Gifted by Wassel&Gooden Fathom by Michael Turner Silage by Morvan&Buchet Goddess by Ennis & Winslade I kind of turned myself off of reading by trying to read to improve myself on too many fronts at the same time. Currently stuck in: I am Malala by Malala Yousafzai Being with Dying by Joan Halifax Stoicism and the Art of Happiness by Donald Robertson Futuristic Violence & Fancy Suits by David Wong Kings of the Wyld Das 4-Stunden-Startup by Felix Plötz Harry Potter und der Stein der Weisen (Little boy is a bit impatient - and sadly not quite in the lets keep reading way) Can't wait to get started on: The Hathor Material by Tom Kenyon & Virginia Essene Asha by David Ball (recom from a dear friend) Als die Sonne erlosch by David Keys (recom by my professor some 13 years ago, finally found and bought it used this last year) Malta und die Baukunst seiner Megalith-Tempel by Joachim von Freeden Wow... that's a longer post than I had meant to type... maybe I do need a good reads account of my own... 6 2 Quote Katrin the Morag Lvl 22 Cadet, half klingon, c-licensed trainer, mother of two, gaming nerd Current Challenge Road map to Level 50 Link to comment
TheGreyJedi Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 16 hours ago, Scalyfreak said: In my experience, the opposite is more likely to be true. I recall being forced to read a lot of "elite literature" at various stages in life, that wasn't enjoyable at all. I was a "late bloomer" when it came to reading... all through high school, I wasn't a fan of reading anything beyond comic books or YA books (short mystery & horror books). It wasn't until my mid-20s when I started reading for pleasure again and discovered it can actually be fun lol 5 Quote Link to comment
Scaly Freak Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 10 hours ago, Morag said: Firefly season 2 Wait, WHAT? Where!?!? 1 4 Quote The Great Reading Thread of 2024 “I've always believed that failure is non-existent. What is failure? You go to the end of the season, then you lose the Super Bowl. Is that failing? To most people, maybe. But when you're picking apart why you failed, and now you're learning from that, then is that really failing? I don't think so." - Kobe Bryant, 1978-2020. Rest in peace, great warrior. Personal Challenges, a.k.a.The Saga of Scalyfreak: Tutorial; Ch 1; Ch 2; Ch 3; Ch 4; Ch 5; Ch 6; Intermission; Intermission II; Ch 7; Ch 8; Ch 9; Ch 10; Ch 11; Ch 12 ; Ch 13; Ch 14; Ch 15; Ch 16; Ch 17; Intermission III; Ch 18; Ch 19; Ch 20; Ch 21; Ch 22; Ch 23; Ch 24; Ch 25; Intermission IV; Ch 26; Ch 27; Ch 28; Ch 29; Ch 30; Ch 31; Ch 32; Ch 33; Ch 34; Ch 35; Ch 36; Ch 37; Ch 38; Ch 39; Ch 40; Intermission V; Ch 41; Ch 42; Ch 43; Ch 44; Ch 45; Ch 46; Ch 47; Intermission VI; Ch 48; Ch 49; Ch 50; Ch 51; Intermission VI Link to comment
NeverThatBored Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 13 hours ago, Morag said: Mistborn (was that a Sanderson?) 13 hours ago, Morag said: Tamora Pierce (those circle books, read as far as circle opens 2 I believe, they spoke to me) 13 hours ago, Morag said: Charles de Lint ("Someplace to be flying" and "The wind in his heart" have to reread the first, was that the one with the house??) These three authors all have more books, so it would probably be safe to start with more of their work! 13 hours ago, Morag said: Kings of the Wyld This is on my list for the year! I keep hearing that it's really good. 2 Quote Gargoyle Ranger | Level 49 2022 challenges: 49 (current) 2015-2021 challenges: 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 |15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22 | 23 | 24 | 25 || 26 | 27 | 28 | 29 | 30 | 31 | 32 | 33 || 34 | 35 | 36 | 37 | 38 | 39 | 40 | 41 | 42 || 43 | 44 | 45 | | 46 | 47 | 48 || My epic quest | MEATBALL WARS You don't get better at anything unless you start doing it. Being alive is heckn swell. Link to comment
nianjufe Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Scalyfreak said: Wait, WHAT? Where!?!? Graphic Novel. I had the same reaction and then read more carefully 1 2 Quote NF Character Current Challenge Intro Post, Battle Log "Faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see." Hebrews 11:1 Link to comment
Scaly Freak Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, nianjufe said: Graphic Novel. I had the same reaction and then read more carefully 1 3 Quote The Great Reading Thread of 2024 “I've always believed that failure is non-existent. What is failure? You go to the end of the season, then you lose the Super Bowl. Is that failing? To most people, maybe. But when you're picking apart why you failed, and now you're learning from that, then is that really failing? I don't think so." - Kobe Bryant, 1978-2020. Rest in peace, great warrior. Personal Challenges, a.k.a.The Saga of Scalyfreak: Tutorial; Ch 1; Ch 2; Ch 3; Ch 4; Ch 5; Ch 6; Intermission; Intermission II; Ch 7; Ch 8; Ch 9; Ch 10; Ch 11; Ch 12 ; Ch 13; Ch 14; Ch 15; Ch 16; Ch 17; Intermission III; Ch 18; Ch 19; Ch 20; Ch 21; Ch 22; Ch 23; Ch 24; Ch 25; Intermission IV; Ch 26; Ch 27; Ch 28; Ch 29; Ch 30; Ch 31; Ch 32; Ch 33; Ch 34; Ch 35; Ch 36; Ch 37; Ch 38; Ch 39; Ch 40; Intermission V; Ch 41; Ch 42; Ch 43; Ch 44; Ch 45; Ch 46; Ch 47; Intermission VI; Ch 48; Ch 49; Ch 50; Ch 51; Intermission VI Link to comment
Morag Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 3 hours ago, Scalyfreak said: Wait, WHAT? Where!?!? I have books 1, 3 and 4, missing the second and fifth: 1st: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/133765.Those_Left_Behind 2nd: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/11279472-better-days-and-other-stories 3rd: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/8596384-the-shepherd-s-tale 4th: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/21532236-leaves-on-the-wind 5th: http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/35275576-serenity I actually don't mind a media change, I am glad Whedon got to tell these stories afterall, glad I got to read them, though I was unaware of these holes in my bookshelf, must remedy soon. 1 2 Quote Katrin the Morag Lvl 22 Cadet, half klingon, c-licensed trainer, mother of two, gaming nerd Current Challenge Road map to Level 50 Link to comment
Scaly Freak Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 20 minutes ago, Morag said: I actually don't mind a media change, I am glad Whedon got to tell these stories afterall, glad I got to read them, though I was unaware of these holes in my bookshelf, must remedy soon. So it is the original story he wanted to tell, just in graphic novel format? I am completely okay with this. I wonder if I can find these in a bookstore nearby somewhere....? 3 Quote The Great Reading Thread of 2024 “I've always believed that failure is non-existent. What is failure? You go to the end of the season, then you lose the Super Bowl. Is that failing? To most people, maybe. But when you're picking apart why you failed, and now you're learning from that, then is that really failing? I don't think so." - Kobe Bryant, 1978-2020. Rest in peace, great warrior. Personal Challenges, a.k.a.The Saga of Scalyfreak: Tutorial; Ch 1; Ch 2; Ch 3; Ch 4; Ch 5; Ch 6; Intermission; Intermission II; Ch 7; Ch 8; Ch 9; Ch 10; Ch 11; Ch 12 ; Ch 13; Ch 14; Ch 15; Ch 16; Ch 17; Intermission III; Ch 18; Ch 19; Ch 20; Ch 21; Ch 22; Ch 23; Ch 24; Ch 25; Intermission IV; Ch 26; Ch 27; Ch 28; Ch 29; Ch 30; Ch 31; Ch 32; Ch 33; Ch 34; Ch 35; Ch 36; Ch 37; Ch 38; Ch 39; Ch 40; Intermission V; Ch 41; Ch 42; Ch 43; Ch 44; Ch 45; Ch 46; Ch 47; Intermission VI; Ch 48; Ch 49; Ch 50; Ch 51; Intermission VI Link to comment
Morag Posted January 8, 2020 Report Share Posted January 8, 2020 13 minutes ago, Scalyfreak said: So it is the original story he wanted to tell, just in graphic novel format? I am completely okay with this. I wonder if I can find these in a bookstore nearby somewhere....? I obviously can't say how much original story there is in them, how much he changed after switching to graphic novel format, or for other, unknown-to-me reasons, I mean I never even met the man. But yes, it is Joss Whedon's writing and I am completely okay with it too, I keep mentioning they exist, and there's always more fans who never heard about them, so I keep mentioning... 4 1 Quote Katrin the Morag Lvl 22 Cadet, half klingon, c-licensed trainer, mother of two, gaming nerd Current Challenge Road map to Level 50 Link to comment
Pesky Squall Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 On 12/30/2019 at 11:13 PM, fitnessgurl said: Good stuff. I'd pick a girl who reads over one who frequent clubs any day. 4 Quote Link to comment
bigm141414 Posted January 9, 2020 Report Share Posted January 9, 2020 On 1/8/2020 at 12:09 AM, Morag said: Firefly season 2 and shepherd's tale and everything, really 22 hours ago, nianjufe said: On 1/8/2020 at 10:58 AM, Scalyfreak said: Wait, WHAT? Where!?!? Graphic Novel. I had the same reaction and then read more carefully 22 hours ago, Scalyfreak said: Speaking of all things Firefly I happened to find this in my news feeds today: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/01/fox-executive-teases-browncoats-with-hints-of-possible-firefly-revival/ You may all begin squeeing with delight until Fox decideds to crush this dream. 1 1 Quote "Pull the bar like you're ripping the head off a god-damned lion" - Donny Shankle Link to comment
Scaly Freak Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 First report towards my goal of getting rid of books I will never finish or read again: I looked closely at the list of "in progress" books on my primary eReader, and identified all the ones I haven't touched in a month. I read a few pages in each to make sure it was one I was not going to finish, then removed it from the account. Total number of liberated books: 8 6 1 Quote The Great Reading Thread of 2024 “I've always believed that failure is non-existent. What is failure? You go to the end of the season, then you lose the Super Bowl. Is that failing? To most people, maybe. But when you're picking apart why you failed, and now you're learning from that, then is that really failing? I don't think so." - Kobe Bryant, 1978-2020. Rest in peace, great warrior. Personal Challenges, a.k.a.The Saga of Scalyfreak: Tutorial; Ch 1; Ch 2; Ch 3; Ch 4; Ch 5; Ch 6; Intermission; Intermission II; Ch 7; Ch 8; Ch 9; Ch 10; Ch 11; Ch 12 ; Ch 13; Ch 14; Ch 15; Ch 16; Ch 17; Intermission III; Ch 18; Ch 19; Ch 20; Ch 21; Ch 22; Ch 23; Ch 24; Ch 25; Intermission IV; Ch 26; Ch 27; Ch 28; Ch 29; Ch 30; Ch 31; Ch 32; Ch 33; Ch 34; Ch 35; Ch 36; Ch 37; Ch 38; Ch 39; Ch 40; Intermission V; Ch 41; Ch 42; Ch 43; Ch 44; Ch 45; Ch 46; Ch 47; Intermission VI; Ch 48; Ch 49; Ch 50; Ch 51; Intermission VI Link to comment
nianjufe Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 18 hours ago, bigm141414 said: Speaking of all things Firefly I happened to find this in my news feeds today: https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2020/01/fox-executive-teases-browncoats-with-hints-of-possible-firefly-revival/ You may all begin squeeing with delight until Fox decideds to crush this dream. I hope they don't crush my dreams, my poor heart! 1 2 Quote NF Character Current Challenge Intro Post, Battle Log "Faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see." Hebrews 11:1 Link to comment
miss_marissa Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 On 1/8/2020 at 4:41 PM, Scalyfreak said: So it is the original story he wanted to tell, just in graphic novel format? I am completely okay with this. I wonder if I can find these in a bookstore nearby somewhere....? If not, most local bookshops (or comic shops if applicable) will order or otherwise try to find them for you if they can. 2 Quote Current Challenge # 39 | #38 | #37 | #36 | #35 |#34 | #33 | #32 | #31 | #30 | #29 | #28 | #27 | #26 | #25 | # 24 | #23 | #22 | #21 | #20 | #19 | #18 | #17 | #16 | #15 | #14 | #13 | #12 | #11 | #10 | #9| #8 | #7 | #6 | #5 | #4 | #3 | #2 | #1 | Battle Log Instagram | Goodreads Link to comment
Scaly Freak Posted January 10, 2020 Report Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, miss_marissa said: If not, most local bookshops (or comic shops if applicable) will order or otherwise try to find them for you if they can. I discovered my library district has them. Holds have been placed. 2 1 Quote The Great Reading Thread of 2024 “I've always believed that failure is non-existent. What is failure? You go to the end of the season, then you lose the Super Bowl. Is that failing? To most people, maybe. But when you're picking apart why you failed, and now you're learning from that, then is that really failing? I don't think so." - Kobe Bryant, 1978-2020. Rest in peace, great warrior. Personal Challenges, a.k.a.The Saga of Scalyfreak: Tutorial; Ch 1; Ch 2; Ch 3; Ch 4; Ch 5; Ch 6; Intermission; Intermission II; Ch 7; Ch 8; Ch 9; Ch 10; Ch 11; Ch 12 ; Ch 13; Ch 14; Ch 15; Ch 16; Ch 17; Intermission III; Ch 18; Ch 19; Ch 20; Ch 21; Ch 22; Ch 23; Ch 24; Ch 25; Intermission IV; Ch 26; Ch 27; Ch 28; Ch 29; Ch 30; Ch 31; Ch 32; Ch 33; Ch 34; Ch 35; Ch 36; Ch 37; Ch 38; Ch 39; Ch 40; Intermission V; Ch 41; Ch 42; Ch 43; Ch 44; Ch 45; Ch 46; Ch 47; Intermission VI; Ch 48; Ch 49; Ch 50; Ch 51; Intermission VI Link to comment
Lateral Planet Posted January 11, 2020 Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 On 1/7/2020 at 9:51 AM, Lateral Planet said: I'm about to spend the next four hours on a bus, so it's the perfect time to dive in with some reading! Starting with The Power by Naomi Alderman, which I read half of on a short holiday in 2018 and failed to pick up again once the trip was over. Going to have to start again! Done! It was great, highly recommended. And then today I did a proper audit of my bookcase and identified this many unread books: Oops, that's more than I thought! I've got some work ahead of me this year, but I'm pretty confident it's all good stuff so hopefully it won't be too great a challenge! 1 1 Quote Link to comment
Lateral Planet Posted January 11, 2020 Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 On 1/8/2020 at 5:11 PM, analoggirl said: Last year I had the goal to read 8 books and managed, mostly aided by the Artemis Fowl series & two books by Agatha Christie. If you want to make a head start on this year, Eoin Colfer just started a sequel series around Arty's little brothers, only one book so far but it's brilliant! And he's got a standalone novel about a dragon coming out in a few weeks which will seriously derail my plan to prioritise books I already own 2 2 Quote Link to comment
Akura Posted January 11, 2020 Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 So... I finished Never Grow Up by Jackie Chan. As an interlude I'll read the second volume of the Ultimate Edition of Monster by Naoki Urasawa: a reprint of the original manga where they bundled two (or more...?) tankobons together. Then I'll start with... the audiobook of Quicksilver by Neal Stephenson...? 2 1 Quote The impediment to action advances action. What stands in the way becomes the way. Instagram food log Link to comment
Mad Hatter Posted January 11, 2020 Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 You know how I was saying how much I love when I get notifications from the library to pick up books? Well, it's great until you get a whole stack at once. ?Actually it's still great, I just hope I can read them all. Yesterday I picked up and finished my first book of the year - Trevor Noah's Born a Crime. There's some dark shit in it but it's told in such an entertaining, often innocent, way it makes it a very enjoyable read. 3 1 Quote Link to comment
Jupiter Posted January 11, 2020 Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 So I've read 3 books towards my goal of 40 this year (though I did skim a lot of the second book). Not a bad start for the year. 4 1 Quote New Battle Log, Old Battle Log, Current Challenge 2022 Challenges: Challenge 1, Challenge 2, Challenge 3, Challenge 4 2021 Challenges: Challenge 1, Challenge 2, Challenge 3, Challenge 4, Challenge 5, Challenge 6 2020 Challenges: Challenge 1, Challenge 2, Challenge 3, Challenge 4, Challenge 5, Challenge 6, Challenge 7 Link to comment
theophilus Posted January 11, 2020 Report Share Posted January 11, 2020 For as much non-fiction as I consume for law school, you think I'd balance it out with fiction when it comes to reading for pleasure. And yet somehow it's almost always more non-fiction... This is a great challenge for me to up my fiction intake. I just want to read one fiction book per month this year. I have two in-progress for 2019: Brave New World, and a collection of Ursula K. LeGuin's short stories. I'll count the two half-books as my one book for January. Would love recommendations for Feb and beyond! 6 Quote Chapter 25: Theophilus is Mostly Done Volume 1: Meanderings (2015 - 2020): 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 11 | 12 | 13 | 14 | 15 | 16 | 17 | 18 | 19 | 20 | 21 | 22 | 23 Volume 2: The Bar and the Bellwether (2021): 24 | 25 "May your curse in life be that your hard work is constantly mistaken for talent." Link to comment
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